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Diabolus Request
Thanks for asking, but obviously you already know that you dont have to ask. It was for the community anyways. But I appreciate the comments on the Diabolus, and looking good so far with Rutilus Maculosus Lupus. I cant wait to see the finished product. --- Illuminate Void 18:23, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Retort
I just kinda wanna point something out in your citation of Yamamoto's quote on Twilight Despair 5's user talk-page. He said clearly, "no Shinigami was born stronger than me in the last 1000 years". Sei and Kamui are Sōzōshin, not Shinigami. So that puts a hole through your argument. Secondly, if it was down to just about their strength, remember that I have participated in well over fifty roleplays on this site alone, let alone independent stories. When Seireitou was first written, he was no stronger than an average Captain, perhaps weaker. Kamui was slightly above the norm for Captain, and would be capable of holding his own in a fight with Aizen due to his Zanpakutō's illusionary abilities. Over time, and much much development, the two grew incredibly strong to the level they are today. Everything they have now is because of the stories I wrote and worked on with my best bro Tenny, and especially others. Now, I know I can't force you to change your views, so if even after this explanation, you still feel like you find my characters unfair, I'm afraid I must leave it at that. I can't make everybody happy, but I haven't received complaints from those I work with all the time, so I'm not going to make drastic changes because of one person's opposite view on my work. Otherwise, I'd never be able to keep my characters the way I want it. It's the problem all artists, writers, and musicians all face too. In no way did I take it personally, and I hope I haven't caused you to have a negative view on myself as a writer, but if I have, I'm sorry but I enjoy the work I do, and my closest friends also like my work. Anyways, I can say I've enjoyed some of your work, it seems rather interesting. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 21:59, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah, the only time I've ever really sent real hate mail is to Illuminate Void, because even though you might think he's a cool dude based on your conversations with him, he's quite arrogant and likes to always have the last word. But anyways, regarding the tournament, I don't plan on winning. I'm still debating it, but Kamui may just end up finding no more interest, and just leave (think Piccolo in the Bojack movie). Kamui has rarely been used for roleplays recently, since I usually focus on Seireitou more now than I used to back in the day. So this will allow me to test some of the new powers Kamui has obtained in the independent stories I've recently written. I also look forward to your future work, keep up the good work, and happy valentine's day. --Seireitou-shishō [[File:Seireitou's signature picture.jpg]] (My True Identity 22:37, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Njalm2
I am Twilight Despair 5 now, before you think this a complaint it is the exact opposite. Now I know you and Sliver-Haired Serieitou talk and that it went good. However, you did contact me with good concerns, and I wanted to address them propely. Ok one complaint now you didn't sign your post but thats ok. But I have read your character and it wouldn't have been reject in fact if wanderingshinobi don't post soon I might just give you his spot. The only real requirements are that the character be at least a Shunsui-class but Aizen-class is better as Kamui is in it. And that the character be good or at least a former bad guy turned good guy like Kamui. But that character if I read it right hates fighting more than even Tosen but idk maybe he could win. If wanderingshinobi doesn't post soon or doesn't at least contact me telling when he can i'll give his spot against Kamui.: The Twilight of Your Despair 21:28, February 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * First off I know Kamui/Madara Kawahiru is powerful even by Aizen Class standards. But Sei did put him through so many rps training, and story arcs that I am really surprised that he and Serietou Kawahiru aren't even stronger.
 * Second, I wanted to thank you for you words, but you don't have to put everything like this there is wrong with it but when people use B I U its means noramlly this is the main point or a quote.
 * Third, I like your character Hiroya Ginkarei and most people don't make gay or bisexual characters. I myself made one or two, but really the one running my tournament as since I won't take part my character hosts the tournament. But he is homosexual, but really its cause a Gay King priceless. But this no way reflected on me I just like creating out of the box sometimes.
 * Fourth, and finally I hope to rp with you in the future.: The Twilight of Your Despair 18:02, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

It is not important, but these are views in character article creation. Incase we are ever, at an endpass with each other. I believe that most characters should be developed over time, HOWEVER that is not the only way or the best way to create but the most responsible and a good way. Some characters can be made immensly powerful at the start with a good reason or like a mentor or an enemy. Also, if you just want a strong character than thats fine as long as one, two, three, four don't turn in 20 of them. My view is just cause one way is more acceptable by others doesn't make it completely right. These are my views on the subject for future references.: The Twilight of Your Despair 03:48, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, but Remember if someone wants to make something of the higher classes or the highest class that is fine as long as they have a reason or as long as it doesn't happen to often and doesn't make the majority of your characters. Like me I have two aizen-class characters and I don't plan on having anymore for a LONG time but one is a villian and one is good character and ther king of his spirit race.

P.S and this wont effect my judgement, but who do you think should win.

Kenji-Taichō ~ Kenji Hiroshi

WanderingShinobi- Ryotenbin Shiki

Yuki-chama - Margin Heart

Kamui --Seireitou-shishō

Naishō Kawahiru.


 * The Twilight of Your Despair 16:34, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well I cannot say you can win but here are my thoughts.
 * Kenji, he is strong and has great elemental powers.
 * Kamui, in terms of reiatsu or spiritual pressure has the strongest in my opinion.
 * Margin has immense endurence I mean immense.
 * Naisho, cannot say haven't seen much of him yet.
 * Ryotenbin, hmm he looks like the type to have a sceret technique or power than can change the tide of battles.
 * Also as the rp has started no more character will be intro as it would mess up the flow but the next tournament I will make you have the first spot.
 * Sidenote My two strongest characters Haru Nakamaru and Kiyoshi Souzou both of Aizen class.
 * Now Haru is a former royal guard leader or supreme commander. he is evil
 * Kiyoshi is the Kosumosukihaku's supreme king. he is good
 * Now please if you want to say something about them just message me don't use their talk pages. now the only think about them is that is the same they both have well over twice as much spiritual power as an average captain-level shinigami like aizen.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:00, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well what you think of Haru Nakamaru and Kiyoshi Souzou now both of their bankais will be revealed later and kiyoshi's shikai is not complete but still
 * Now please if you want to say something about them just message me don't use their talk pages. now the only think about them is that is the same they both have well over twice as much spiritual power as an average captain-level shinigami like aizen.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:18, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Kiyoshi is the Kosumosukihaku's supreme king. he is good
 * Now please if you want to say something about them just message me don't use their talk pages. now the only think about them is that is the same they both have well over twice as much spiritual power as an average captain-level shinigami like aizen.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:00, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well what you think of Haru Nakamaru and Kiyoshi Souzou now both of their bankais will be revealed later and kiyoshi's shikai is not complete but still
 * Now please if you want to say something about them just message me don't use their talk pages. now the only think about them is that is the same they both have well over twice as much spiritual power as an average captain-level shinigami like aizen.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:18, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now please if you want to say something about them just message me don't use their talk pages. now the only think about them is that is the same they both have well over twice as much spiritual power as an average captain-level shinigami like aizen.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:18, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ideas for an RP?
Hey, if you're up for it, want to do an RP in the next few days? I'm not exactly sure how their done on the wiki, but it seems you have plenty of experience. Given that Rutilus became apart of Dorothy's Army, I thought it would be interesting to RP how he joined. It could provide some source material later on too. If you have any ideas, we could do those as well. But if you can I'd also need some help in creating the rest of Dorothy's Army. Including your character I'd like to at least two to four more characters. --- Illuminate Void 21:32, February 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, people have already created most of their primary characters, not to mention the idea is new and in a way clashes with an already established race of demons. The fact that I explicity state that there isnt much crossover between Diabolus and Shinigami could also be a deterent. But hmm....Ive finalized some general thoughts on the RP and Dorothy's army. Her subordinates should play specific roles. I'm very keen on characters having roles to play, someone who gathers intel, one with abilities of concealment/travel to hide the group. Perhaps a scientist to ensure they have proper equipment and arent caught unawares, etc. And given Rutilus's abilities he makes an excellent assassin/fighter for the group. Given that in raw physical combat he would easily overpower Dorothy. But if she were to approach your character.....she would have need a reason....well not really, but more of a reason for interest, given her personality. An event of particular noteworthiness showcasing your abilities. Perhaps we can run....an event perhaps a bargain that leads to battle. Human, eaten by hollows. That would definately get any Diabolus pissed. Enough for a battle anyways. And no problem, good characters deserve praise. He's got personality, power but doesnt have any abilities that are exactly broken or outright unfair. He's a defensive fighter first and foremost and thats fine. Although I cant help but think if he and Dorothy ever met. Given that they are both masters of Kido, it would be a rather interesting encounter. --- Illuminate Void 01:01, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Cheers
Saw your thoughts on the characters taking part in Twilight's Tournament, and I just wanna say thanks for the comments you made about Kenji. Didn't think anyone would consider him the most dangerous close-range combatant, so thanks again, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 10:28, February 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * I never thought a lot of people read my articles, to be honest. Thanks for the words, though, dude. I'll try my best not to disappoint in the tournament, if you plan on reading it. Kenji's my main character, and the one article I've spent more time and research on than any other. The reason I chose the element of lightning is because of all the potential things you can do with it; enhanced speed and the numbing aura being only a few. The Light Step skill you mentioned on Twilight's page, though, was inspired by Sei, as was the incentive to expand Kenji's lightning prowess beyond the zanpakutō. He always had a lightning-attuned aura, but never as much skill before I took the time skip in my stories. Anyways, I've enjoyed reading your own articles. The story you wrote about your Diablous character and the boy he made popular in high-school got across the entire concept of their race very well, so keep up the good work, dude :) Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 12:45, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

RE:Possible Roleplay
Yeah, well given Dorothy, she would figure out a way to force Hiyora to fight, either by taking his students hostage, or scheming to steal their souls, and forcing him to act, or some other nefarious scheme. I'm sure you realize that being a good guy, also gives your character many weaknesses, morally speaking that is.
 * In regards to Kenshin Yagami, I was actually undergoing some changes to him. If you've noticed, I wanted him to be a sort of master manipulater and beguiler, and I crafted several "disguises" but found that while interesting, they didnt make a whole lot of sense. I did devise a twist that not only makes sense, but also solves most of my problems with his character. I was going to make him a Vasto Lorde or an Arrancar that is the strongest "Trickster" type of his kind. Specializing in illusions, misdirection, and etc. All things considering, he would be a rather scary Hollow since this is one with knowledge of Soul Society, Kido, with some Shinigami abilities, in addition to his own. A rather frightening combination if I do say so myself.
 * And yeah I completely agree with you in terms of roleplaying. I have a link to an old RP I tried to do with another user, but they sort of disappeared and didnt respond for like...weeks, so it was left untouched. I figure thats how I would RP and it would give you a sense of how I might go about doing it. Example RP. I assume it would be something like that. I describe my actions, either a single one or multiple ones, but in the end let you the other author determine the results.
 * Hmm and you DO have a point. Ryuichi would certaintly find that unsettling and investigate it. That could lead to an interesting encounter too. On that note, regarding Ryuichi and the prologue Im writing for him, I'm thinking of removing the text between him and the women and changing it to a battle. Of course I'd also be changing the womens personality too, but given new inspiration, I feel it would be for the best. My ultimate goals is that Ryuichi will be gaining a....Zanpakutou..although I use that term loosely. More like his first real ally. Hmm, ever watch Soul Eater? I suppose thats a better example, with Ryuichi being the meister and ADA being the companion/weapon.
 * With that we should do an RP soon. Although I've been busy as hell this past week. I've had to help family move around a bit, and those were all-day events. Hmm, I'm busy this sunday, although Monday evening I should be mostly free to start up some RPs. I'd like to get more info down first regarding several of my characters. --- Illuminate Void 22:09, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Characters
Kiyoshi and why he is Aizen Class. Haru and his stats. Inshort these are the reasons for the things you pointed out. I tried to write without many grammer errors.: The Twilight of Your Despair 02:18, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) He like Aizen or in his case has well over twice as much spiritual power as an average captain-level Shinigami. Which should make him an aizen class alone and that is why I give it to an Aizen Class character or weapon like Zettaiteki.
 * 2) He is intellect is high as he over 4000 years old.
 * 3) As well about his age his species once they master their power they gain eternal life, and don't require food, water, air or sleep to live. As such they don't age and their bodies don't change from when they gain their immortality. But hair will contiune to grow.
 * 4) His species spells Mystical Power sorry english transtion, differ from Shinigami/Vizard Kido. His species make their own spells and they have many spells. As such by teaching them to other of their species they can use it so no spell is unlearnable (as long as the spells requirements are met.) And their spells have a few more types than just Hado, Bakudo, and Healing. Kosumosukihaku's spells contains types for offence and defence that are spirit energy based or elemental based. They have sealing binding, and barrier spells. They have spells for healing and for spatial and temporal spells. Also they have none spell like abilities like their ability to create reishi or spirit particles as well there are as many none spell types as there are spells. And Kiyoshi's skills in spells and none spells abilties of all types are supreme.
 * 5) He is a master in Zanjutsu, Hakuda, and in their species Shunpo like power. This doen't mean that he can never be hit.
 * 6) Finally his species has the deity-aspect to negate the negative forces toward spirit energy like Sekkiseki and the force of Reason a sort of force that Sei and Ten and Kiyoshi can use it for a long time 32 minutes which is a long time. As just a skill should have a time frame.
 * 1) He like Aizen or in his case has well over twice as much spiritual power as an average captain-level Shinigami. Which should make him an aizen class alone and that is why I give it to an Aizen Class character or weapon like Zettaiteki. Just a repeat.
 * 2) Even though that he is 2200 Yamamato states that he held the Captain Commander title for 1000 years as no Shinigami has been born that is stronger since then. Haru is a former Supreme Commander of the Royal Guard like the Head Captain. Also the Shino Academy is 2000 years old which Haru went to and Yamamato made it so its hard to believe that Yamamato is the first Shinigami and to say that the Soul Society is as old as him is kind of weird. Also its hard to think he is only 2000 years old. I believe my info on this is right or close though I always could be wrong.
 * 3) If the complete lore of bleach is follow 100% of the time than it gets old. Just certain characters that are stronger than Aizen or Yamamato for as the writer spends a lot of time making them with believable stories.

Did the reasons I point out help to understand them better?: The Twilight of Your Despair 21:47, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

P.S want to rp with Kiyoshi cause I need strong opponents to reveal his shikai's special powers in as his has a few but I use rps to reveal them.: The Twilight of Your Despair 21:54, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Hiroya is strong enough, I was think that maybe he see Kiyoshi using his powers and becomes interested in the Cosmos souls spells and none spell like abilities and they have an none lethal fight.This could help him to learn more spell or develop new ones.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:06, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, by the way when they are complete would you like to make the Sacred King of the raifutenshis or life angels.

You I making that there are four kings that rule over one aspect of the universe and all it falls under. Now each King is equal in terms one king cannot tell another one what to do.

The soul king rules the aspect of death

the sacred king rules the aspect of life

the slient king rules over the aspect of destruction

the supreme king rules over the aspect of creation

what you think.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:39, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

RE:Diabolus Squad
Sorry about getting back to you so late, but like earlier this week, I've been busy helping my family out. Anyways, just wanted to give you my thoughts on the Diabolus Squad. Excellent ideas btw, this is precisely the kind of structure necessary for Dorothy's group.
 * Supporter: Now, I have an idea for the supporter role, for one of my original characters, Malik Nazari, I had planned on him doing battle against this women called the Youma of Darkness, she had powers and abilities relating to barriers, cloaking allies, transportation, all of shadow/darkness motif. She would be a Daemon, although a low-tier one, but her unique powers make her very well suited to her role as a support character.
 * Defender/Mentalist/Intel-Gatherer: Hmm, another character concept I had thought of earlier, another daemon by the name of Tedlar, a sort of humanoid monstrous daemon. He had some strange personality quirks, like having an english accent, and being an overall soft-spoken gentleman. He's the type of daemon that collects the souls of nobility, and the rich, making contracts related to the greed of money. Hmm with some tweeking of his abilities he could serve as both Defender and the Intel-Gatherer roles.
 * Spellcaster/Ranged Artillery: Hmm, I'll have to ponder on this one a little more. In many ways Dorothy serves this function given her vast array of magical abilities. Well, a crew of four plus Dorothy could work just fine too. Diabolus are naturally adept infiltrators and masters of espionage, albeit all have their own methods. So for now I think this could work.

Now probably on to the most important thing, as to why Dorothy has her army. I've got some ideas on her own plans, but just as Dorothy gathered this group for her own goals, each individual has their own ambitions as well. But as of right now, her main concern is strengthening the power of this group, so using all of your individual skills, she would likely have everyone gather info on spiritually aware communities, then make plans to corrupt the entire town as opposed to just one individual at a time. Which in of itself is pretty ballsy, but I figure she's that arrogant to believe its possible. After that, well we'll see where things go. Of course this they will likely clash with Hollows and Shinigami alike, so it should be interesting. What are your thoughts? And do you have any ideas for your own characters goals?

I've always found that...a story is FAR easier to create if the characters themselves are pushing the plot. As opposed to the typical method of them to simply reacting towards someone else's. --- Illuminate Void 17:32, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Gamemaster
Don't mention it. I was just bored and had the time to go into length about him. But if you ever want me to review another character, just post it on my talk page and I'll get to it ASAP. Ciao~ --- Gamemaster (Rules)  19:28, February 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, Njalm2! I was wondering if you'd kindly do a review of my new titular character, Naishō Kawahiru. He's finally complete, so I was curious on how well I created him. Ciao~ --- Gamemaster (Rules)  17:32, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Future Roleplay
Oh sorry, I thought I responded to that. Huh, oh well, here it is.


 * Hmm well we could use the grades from say D-S like they do in YuYu Hakusho, although it wouldnt be for all Diabolus, like you said it would be between the individual castes of Diabolus to further distinguish them. Although I figure any Diabolus of Rank S or more is going to be stronger than the average of even those of a caste above them. For example I would rank Dorothy as of right now a B-Class Arcus Daemon. She's powerful dont get me wrong, but an A-class would have master level swordsmanship, hand-to-hand combat and speed, and a few other augmented abilities. S-Class would...hmm...well it would be what Vasto Lorde were rumored to be in the beginning of bleach, wholly powerful beings that even a single one would spell disaster for Soul Society should it ever decide to fight against them. An S-Class Arcus Daemon though? Aizen would sooner piss his pants, hop around three times, and sing "I love you, you love me" by Barney the Dinosaur than screw with one of them.
 * Regarding the other member of Dorothy's Army, you do have a point. Another magician would likely be necessary. And on the note of Diabolus weaknesses, your right I should expand on them. Given the input you have thus far, please feel free to edit the section. I can always look at it later and we can talk it over if there's a difference opinion.

For the Ryuichi - Rutilus Roleplay, I'm currently writing out the encounter he has with that mysterious being who has been identified as ADA. Although in recent thought, I've decided to make it a battle scene first, and introduce another important character - Inoue Orihime. After which he'll mostly have his group filled out - Ryuichi, ADA with Orihime and Uryuu as mentors/backup, much like Urahara and Yoruichi were for Ichigo. Still a roleplay is certaintly possible. And yeah I dont mind the fact that Rutilus is stronger, it makes sense, since Ryuichi will likely be battling against opponents who are almost always stronger than him. If he would win, its because I've impressed you so much with my strategies that you feel Rutilus would lose given the circumstances. And if Ryuichi loses, then yes, he would have dark thoughts and that itself could make for some interesting RP later on. Regardless an interesting story could develop either way.

As for Dorothy and Hiroya, keep in mind Dorothy is a bonafide sadist, and a psychotic b**** who delights in ruin. She could target Hiroya because she's bored, or really for any reason, or none at all. But really, she would do it, if she discovered Hiroya's a pacifist. She would love nothing more than to try an corrupt him, just for the sake of corruption itself. And remember, while Hiroya is certaintly powerful, crushing an opponent under your foot may not be her goal. Especially if she can manipulate events to place innocent people, perhaps Hollows or other Shinigami with the blame and see you fight them. Given she has an "army" at her disposal to help with the process and Hiroya is alone, does not bode well for him. Also - form is meaningless to Dorothy. If necessary she could shapeshift into a man, and well....given her sensual nature; she's a succubus, chances are she has a pretty good chance of seducing him. --- Illuminate Void 03:44, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Sure
No problem, let's see... Well, I told you about ou -> ō. Umm... uu -> ū. ii -> ī. I'm not totally sure about ē, however, or ȳ. aa -> ā. And, I believe that's all of them really. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 18:21, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Nekkuresu no Raiku (Necklace of life)
Njalm2, I was reading on Hiroya Ginkarei that he knows the spell Nekkuresu no Raiku (Necklace of life). Well, I would like to know if you borrow that idea from the Gravity Force's Kido page as I made that spell Nekkuresu no Raiku (Necklace of life) with very similar powers a long time ago.( By the way it is on the Fobidden spells section.) Or if you came up with it yourself. I normally wouldn't care, but it places a large part in my coming story arc. You see there is God on this site that Ten Tailed Fox made he kind a vice head Admin, the God is called Yawhew. I am making Chaos the bringer of the Ends of Time. You see she is summoned via four special spell created objects that represent one of four aspects of the universe. The Objects of Death, Life, Destruction and Creation. And Nekkuresu no Raiku (Necklace of life) is my object of life that I made months ago. I just need to know really if you could change the name or something. Please get back to me and I am NOT mad.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:13, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

No, you don't have to remove it. I saw on my mobile browser that it was only a reference and you message me before I could tell you to ignore it. Now actually it isn't a Kido really it is spell that any species other than Demonic spiritual being can do I just put on the Gravity Force kido page for now. Also, my necklace's power is that it stops the ageing of whomever wears it, also it can heal or regenarate any wound lost limbs, or damaged or destroyed organs minus loss of the head.

By the way would like to make the Sacred King of the Life Angels. As I have two Aizen-class character Haru and Kiyoshi and I don't want to be told off for making too many characters of the highest class too often.: The Twilight of Your Despair 23:46, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Kamisaifūtsuidan (神最封対断, Japanese for Heavenly Final-Seal, Absolute Judgement)

Whom in the future could be used to wreak great havoc. Items of this magnitude are objects similiar to the Hougyoku, and the Zanpakuto that is currently in the possession of the Supreme Kings. Now I know you haven't but that you are referring to my Supreme King's Zanpakuto Zettaiteki. I am happy that someone other than me is using my work even for reference and the spell isn't included in that I just added to the message so you know what I was talking about and of where it was.: The Twilight of Your Despair 00:12, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Well, than Hiroya Ginkarei would be commenting a great crime. lol.

One, Zettaiteki is a weapon that belongs to the Supreme King of the immortal Kosmosukihakus thus he would be stealing from one of the four kings. Also, the 4 objects are made from spells that each spirit race has one spell and its secret requirements to make it, more than one of say necklaces of life can exist but only when all four seperate objects are brought togethor is Chaos summon. And chaos will be summoned at the ends of times but not before. You see the four kings rule the balance of the universe equally, if even one king dies without a replacement than it will be bad. But do you like my ideas for the four objects, and zettaiteki. After all I made a whole tournament to give Zettaiteki away.: The Twilight of Your Despair 01:11, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Review
Hello, I have seen you have done reviews of many characters around the site. I was wondering if you could give my character Kigahen Nushi a look. Thanks in advance.--Ryo talk 23:15, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Roleplay Continued
Right now, Im at my sisters place, so I this wont be long. Im currently without internet, well at least for the next day or two, so I'll be offline until then. I was supposed to have it today, but well..Uncle Murphy came to visit and you know how he tends to screw things up. Anyways, I havent checked any updates or messages yet so Ill attend to those when I get my internet back. Until then... --- Illuminate Void


 * Yes, and I'm glad to be back. And I like the weaknesses you gave them. Personally I wouldnt have made it so extreme, but I feel that what you did was for the best. Ordinary humans have been able to hunt demons/devils for as long as they have existed to a certain extent, and I do enjoy the fact that for all of their power, Diabolus do have certain weaknesses anyone can take advantage of. It also means that they are not godlike in power, and even a well thoughtout plan can foil the strongest of them. It also serves to make the Diabolus unique amongst the various spiritual races on this site as they are the probably the only ones with a slew critical weaknesses. All in all, great job! And yes, I'm sure you noticed that I updated Dorothy. I'll be updating her spell list as I go, so it should expand as the days pass. I'm currently working on the first of the two Diabolus, the Youma of Darkness, although her name will obviously change when its finished. Oh and good job on your RP btw, I just finished reading that. I can tell that RPing with you is going to be a lot of fun. --- Illuminate Void 22:48, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah your work has been a great inspiration for my own, although..hmm...well once I finish with the support/intelligence Diabolus Aurora Vespera, I'll start the RP. Although the beginning I had in mind is somewhat creepy, and the battle may not immediately start as it did with Twilight. Dorothy may be the one coming after Hiroya but she will try and draw him out. --- Illuminate Void 01:21, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Heya!
I saw you're pretty good at reviews so i was wondering if you could review my titular chracter Raze and possibly give me any tips or suggestions. (He isn't complete as you will see when you look but still) lol. =P RozeluxeMeitzen 00:06, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks man. I appreciate it...If you ever want to RP or need any assistance with something just let me know =) RozeluxeMeitzen 04:33, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ok I finished the powers and abilities section of Raze. Check it out if you get the chance and sorry for asking this but could you also review my character HarukiRozeluxeMeitzen 02:38, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Your Character, Kōmei
Thanks for taking the time to express your views about my character. I'm pleased that my work has influenced you in some form, even if it is only minor. I honestly consider Komei to be a bit of a rush job: I am always trying to improve my writing style and ability to create. --れび (talk to Lavi!) 16:43, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Howdy
I don't know how good I am, but I've been known to do a few reviews (main customer being North lol) I've read through the article before and enjoyed it, but since your looking a comprehensive review, I'll re-read it all a lot more carefully. And I'd appreciate feedback on Kenji's article, just remember that you don't need to offer review trades to ask me to write up a review :) I'd be more than happy to do it regardless without getting something in return. Oh yeah, I replied on the talk page all ready, but go ahead and use the Gravity Force's Kidō page all you want. I'll get started on the review now, dude :) Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 17:08, February 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the delay in the posting there. I had to fix a problem with my cousins laptop (damndable malware programs) that made me wanna throw the thing over the nearest water wall. Anyways, I'll get to reading the review you gave me now. Yours has been posted (don't know why, but it logged me out after posting, so it'll show as an unregistered wiki editor on the activity page). Thanks again, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 21:48, February 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry I haven't gotten 'round to replying until now, dude. Thanks for the review. As soon as I'm finished Twilight's tourney and my RP with Raze (I don't add to powers & abilities when my characters are in joint works like those), I'll move on some of the points. As for Kenji's age, since its bugging you a little, not even I know it exactly. He's spent a lot of time in the Dangai Precipice World (and I don't mean months), so that's the reason for his rapid development. If I was putting some kind of guess to it (this could be wrong), I'd say about anywhere between 400 and 600 easy. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 21:00, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

I need something.
I tried everything I know, can you move the pic from Chaos's page to the template plz?: The Twilight of Your Despair 18:00, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

ignore the last message

new message. Well, if he were to kill either know that knew those spells it would be the four king

the soul king

the sacred king

the silent king

the supreme king. you see at the ends of time the create them and give to a female to summon chaos as chaos is female. plus a funny note your guy may know the most kido spells i have ever seen but at least kiyoshi has a spell that can disable shinigami kido and demonic spirt beings kido. however by using this spell silent one he cannot use other spells until he deactives it but he can still use his none spell like powers.: The Twilight of Your Despair 21:00, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

would you like to use him as lets say you seal Haru's necklace of life away but he steals one of his students and they fight.: The Twilight of Your Despair 23:50, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, but remember even if you seal it away you Haru can just make another one. So do you know how to rp?: The Twilight of Your Despair 00:04, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Want me to start the rp or do you.: The Twilight of Your Despair 16:22, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

White feather vs Colorless World is the rp and its your turn.

and yes I know the rules about not doing auto-hitting, auto-controlling and I don't did them. Plus I think when you edited my talk page something happened to it.: The Twilight of Your Despair 16:41, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

You turn.: The Twilight of Your Despair 17:43, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

this has happened before on other things I'll just get an admin to fix it later. and your turn and when you said your character doesn't like to fight you weren't kidding.: The Twilight of Your Despair 17:58, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Yourturn and Mushokuseken (Colorless World) it has the power to store dead spirit body inside of it and haru can morph them to look just like him and he can hear and he can see through them so they are not clones. But the greatest aspect is these spirit corspes have the same exact level of swordsmenship, shunpo, kido etc skill as haru and the same level of reiatsu as the real Haru but their zanpakutos lack any special powers.: The Twilight of Your Despair 18:21, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Your turn and to gain the necklace you need to cut off the fake harus head or completely destroy him. at least from the neck down as it is the same thing just backwards. But remember these fake haru are as strong as the real one they are like puppets but they are easy to get rid of just not too easy.: The Twilight of Your Despair 18:50, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Umm I made a post before I read the message the fight is over but if have the characters talk for a bit than thats fine.

Ok as for Haru the spirit corspes may have the same level in everything but zanpakuto abilities but Haru can only have one of them at a time in Shikai. Also they have no will as Haru must control them normally Haru uses them to use #90 Kido and the Real one does direct attacks. Also i will say maybe I did op alittle but you did make it hard to avoid the spells.

Now and I know you might tell me the spell you used is too strong to undo but I didn't come up with an unrealistic way of getting it back. I came up with a cool way of by passing it. Haru didn't break the spell as you said it is absolute but Haru did find a way by removing the object in question from existence he could make re-exist outside the seal. Again sorry but I took a long time to make a believable reason to get it back out of the Sacred Spell. So I didn't read the message before I posted.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:35, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Your turn and the last thing I wrote in italic was just a self-made quote.: The Twilight of Your Despair 19:19, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Your turn and Haru kidnapped some of his class to use if something like what Hiroya did would happen.: The Twilight of Your Despair 19:30, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Your turn and the last post. Just Haru and Kiyoshi may seem op but Haru is strong for he was the leader of the Royal Guard and in the fan made on this wikia their are five High marshals wthin five rings which are groups or squads with the High Marshal being the strongest of that ring. Also interms of ranks the lower the number of the rings means the stronger the High Marshal. The Supreme Commander is the leader and the strongest in the Guard. Meaning Haru was the Ring One's High Marshal making him a Supreme Commander.

Kiyoshi is the supreme King so he must be on near or equal to the other Kings in strength. But I doubt he could overpower the soul King.: The Twilight of Your Despair 21:31, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

You may not want Hiroya to join Haru.

This is why

Yahweh (God) Chaos and the Kosumosukihakus the immortal pagan Gods existed before the universe and the beginning of time.

When Yahweh is awake than he rules the universe or all of creation. When Chaos is awake she rules when there is no universe she destroys it and when Chaos decides to sleep God recreates the universe. The Pagan Gods just help them slightly with problems. This is the natural order and by sealing Chaos away God cannot go to sleep thus the universe will never end for only Chaos can wake up God and vice-vera.: The Twilight of Your Despair 21:53, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Hey I am making a new character called Spirit. None he has no appearance yet but what you think.: The Twilight of Your Despair 17:04, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Possible rp
Want to rp again I will be using my Shino Terasawa she is vice-captain level or lieutenant level. Now she is not a Shinigami she is of the same spirit race as the Supreme King Kiyoshi so you got any demons or demonic spirit beings that you can use.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:47, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Flamen Puteulanus That one will do even if Shino loses its fine. Now Shino is a Kosmosukihaku or Cosmos Soul as such she is of the species that make up the immortal pagan gods my creation.: The Twilight of Your Despair 21:41, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe but Shino is an immortal Kosumosukihaku as such her species spirit energy has several unique aspects that grant them Deity like spirit energy. One and this ability does have a time limit as one can only use it in time frames like for 16 minutes one Kosumosukihakus can render the negative force toward spirit energy like Sekkseki and the Force of reason. Also, her speices make it very diffcult for them to develop the spiritual powers of other spirit race like hollows. and Finally demonic spirit beings cannot phyiscally touch her without being purifyied. And once completely purifyied than the demon is erased from exists or is reborn as a human soul. Now it doesn't mean that one touch and any demon is gone it the factor is determine between the strength of the pagan god's and the demon's reiatsu.: The Twilight of Your Despair 05:48, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

The Battle of Peace. and its your turn. now remember Shino is not strong enough to purify demon with her reiatsu alone but when a demon grabs or attacks her with hand-to-hand combact than the purifying starts and the longer one has a hold of her or she a hold of them the more of them is purified and I won't op this ability. Also to corraspond with the pagan religions I made her immortal species exist before the creation of the universe and the beginning of time but even as pagan gods they are no where as strong or as old as the true "God".

Your turn.: The Twilight of Your Despair 19:24, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

your turn.: The Twilight of Your Despair 19:43, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Your turn and time for a short character talk between them woundn't you agree.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:17, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Your turn and I don't know if you made a mistake or just as your guy doesn't know what shino is but she isn't an angel but a immortal pagan god. Just most people don't do things with the pagans anymore so I made a species that make up the some of those religions like Shinto, Celtic, Greek,and Norse and some of China and Asia's religions.: The Twilight of Your Despair 21:11, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Your turn and do you mind if I bring the King to save her but I won't until you say so and I won't use him to fight. But please reframe from calling shino an angel she is an immortal deity just I made the deities in realistic terms of power.: The Twilight of Your Despair 21:51, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Ok but you didn't answer my question can I bring Kiyoshi Souzou the Supreme King to save her. I won't use him for attacks but for just saving her as after the time spell and all the attacks that got her I am surprise she isn't dead.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:13, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Your turn and remember Kiyoshi is upper Aizen level so be caution lol.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:37, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

your turn and this is just talking and in a few post the rp ends ok.: The Twilight of Your Despair 23:09, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Hey your turn and just tell Kiyoshi something like that your demon hates angels and though Shino was one or something. And Kiyoshi won't attack even if you do but the barrier is very powerful so don't waste your time trying to break it. :): The Twilight of Your Despair 23:43, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Your turn.: The Twilight of Your Despair 23:55, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Your turn and you cannot get away from the Supreme King that easy. lol and the spell he is about to use he isn't going to use it but he is doing it to scary the demon. Intruth Kiyoshi wants to make peace with hell in the future.: The Twilight of Your Despair 13:53, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

RE: New Suggestion
Sorry, I havent been on much this weekend, though right now I'm kinda out of it. Currently undergoing an experiment that will enable me to become self concious during dreams ie lucid dreaming, which requires me to...well not sleep for a few days to set up the trigger condition. So I've been in and out all day. On another note, yes, I was going through the planning phase of a few Diabolus Lords. In fact a friend of mine gave me the idea for one, his name will be - Berith. He exists in mythology and is allegedly a Duke of Hell, so it should be interesting. I find one particular part of his personality interesting - when asked a question he speaks truthfully, but any other time, he lies. I'll probably preserve that aspect of his personality, but I have an idea of what kind of Diabolus he would be. And yes, it would be good to have a few for those particular reasons you mentioned, tournaments, antagonists, etc.

On another note, if you're up for it, we can start the RP between Hiroya and Dorothy tomorrow. Ive got a rather nasty idea of getting the two involved, though we may not battle right off the bat. Who knows, this could be the start of a unique story all on its own, for both Dorothy and Hiroya in their respective stories, so I'd like to take things a bit slowly and build up to the battle if thats alright with you. If not, I'm fine with Dorothy just wandering around blowing stuff up and Hiroya, and his school in the crossfire. --- Illuminate Void 01:28, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Your turn and I put this message here as I have a gift for you. I was working on a project, but as I see that you are better at demons like how I am better with pagan gods you want to finish making the Seima no Hamestsu or Holy Demon of Destruction and you can own them?: The Twilight of Your Despair 02:04, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Lets start the roleplay
Alright the RP should be up shortly after this. God I hate having to do this even though we both just agreed it was stupid, but if you dont mind, I took some artistic liberities to set the mood. There is a bit of prologue and some things going on. I had written a little bit of your characters response, but if you feel he would have done differently, go ahead and change it. I hate controlling other peoples characters, but given what I've seen thus far, I dont think its entirely out of character. It was somewhat necessary for the prologue, to get that sense of...uncertainty, but I can assure you, it wont happen again. Anyway here it is Inquisition of the Pacifist. Cheers! --- Illuminate Void 18:54, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to touch base and get your thoughts on the RP thus far. Also my last post ending with Dorothy's signature quote "Shall we play a game" was supposed to indicate the start of a battle. I was hoping the music would get you as pumped as I am. --- Illuminate Void 20:32, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * To be honest, Dorothy chose your school playground, purely for psychological reasons. She's going to force you to fight, otherwise, she's probably going to destroy the school. Which will displace hundreds of teachers, students, and disrupt the livelyhood of both yourself and them. I'm really trying to demonstrate how diabolical Dorothy truly is. While characters profess that they are good-natured, caring and will risk themselves to save other people, Dorothy will go out of her way to put you in circumstances, that even if you prevent their death, their life is destroyed. There is also a few other reasons she chose this location, and she has plans even you dont know about. And if you dont mind, I'd like to make use of that new Bestia race I made the Imps in the near future. --- Illuminate Void 21:04, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh one more thing, I have something else planned for Hiroya once this battle is over too. --- Illuminate Void 01:02, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know that last post was a dick move. But it wouldnt have been possible if Hiroya had decided to ensure the safety of the rest of his class. Taking advantage of exploits like that....ahh...vintage Dorothy. If you're up for it, we can continue where I'm going with this. I promise it will be short. --- Illuminate Void 21:00, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well I figured that was as good an ending as any, given everything that happened. So what are your thoughts/concerns regarding the roleplay? I had a lot of fun, I hope you did too. We definately need to get your other Diabolus on this, and weave together some stories. On another note, if I seemed pushy or domineering, I apologize, from the looks of it, I kinda took this RP by the head. Though I'm happy you decided to add your own input with Bloog. Touche. The next RP, you should be the one directing the story. --- Illuminate Void 03:12, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Greetings!
Heya! My name's well.... you could either call me Yuki or Lone... or just whatever u want lol... hehehe Didn't get to introduce myself to you... well, HI! or Hello! I'm just a friendly neighbor passing by... ^_^ might I say ur work is some piece of excellency (What am I even talking about? lol Just saying ur good at what you do here ^_^) Was hoping if we could have some work together.... RP or something? I saw u creating some Demons as well, I had created one....just a lil different from the Diabolus (did I spell that correctly?) Again, I'm your friendly neighborhood Lone Black Garuga 23:31, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Dark Brotherhood
Hi! I'm Chrono Nexus, a good friend of Illuminate Void's from way back. I read your RP with him and I am really impressed with your skill. You mentioned Hiroya would be looking for allies, and I think I might be able to help with that. While he's definately weaker than Hiroya, he could still contribute in his own ways, and spreading himself thin seems to be the biggest problem Hiroya has right now. Let me know if you're interested, I look forward to it if you are :) Chrono Nexus 12:40, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Hi....RP?
Hi there again N. I was wondering if you would like to do an RP with me. I read some of your other ones and they're pretty awesome. Well...just let me know if you're interested. =) RozeluxeMeitzen 14:10, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Well Haruki, Azami, and Raze are the new MCs for my stories so I would like like to use one or two of them. They are all around rookie level with Raze being the most advanced out of all of them. So if you have anyone around that level or if you want to do a training RP with someone of a higher level that would be awesome. RozeluxeMeitzen 14:42, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm I think that I will like to take on Rutilus with Haruki. Haruki isn't anywhere near as skilled in combat as Rutilus but still...haha. But Hiroya needs to be annoyed? Then yea these three would have been the best bet to get under his skin a bit to train them =P RozeluxeMeitzen 23:49, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Hahah take a bit easy on Haruki =P lol And its Rhapsody Of Souls....your turn =) RozeluxeMeitzen 05:20, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Demons, Angels, and Gods.
Diabolus may I make one? As while I did create the Kosumosukihaku the immortal Pagan God species. I do like demons. I just like none angelic, Holy, Divine, Heavenly, Sacred, Celestial, etc beings like pagan gods more than demons and angels. But I still like angels and demons.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:34, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I might make one in the near future. Sidenote and I just need a summary review not a complete review. What you think of my newest Character Spirit. He is an Enputeiiseikon or an Empty Soul something of my own creation.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:38, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I hope you like Spirit. And thanks for the info and latin transitions. When I make one I will use it.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:46, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

The Four Lords of Hell
Hey, just wanted to bounce some ideas off ya in regards to the Four Lords of Hell. I'd like to construct them in a way that makes their....impact on hell significant, so I was thinking of this:

Hell is a spatially limitless amorphous plane of existence. It is a chaotic ever shifting world, akin to a sea of worlds spontaneously being created and destroyed at random.

The Four Lords of Hell, serve a very unique purpose beyond their title, beyond being considered the strongest. They are anchors. Spiritual Energy by its very definition is described as the spiritual sensitivity and willpower of the user. It is not a power level so many have come to believe, but literally the degree upon which a being can shape the universe.

In this context, a Lord is literally imposing order on the chaos of hell, giving it a form. The very "world" in which the other Diabolus interact with, is in fact Hell reshaped according to the will of its Lord. In essence each Lord has the ability to rewrite reality as the see fit, over an expansive, but finite area, hereafter referred to as their "Domain". Of course, for all of their power, Hell is both their dominion and prison. They can never leave. They are bound to hell as it is bound to them. They are hell.

To give you an analogy, think of hell in its entirety as "space" and the actual "Hell" that Diabolus exist in as "earth". This "earth" is divided into four quadrants, one for each Lord, and together this forms "Hell". The space outside of hell shall be referred to as "Limbo".

Anyway so what are your thoughts on this? --- Illuminate Void 23:10, March 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm, to be honest I think I found a more appropiate latin name for their title: Arbitrator. Obviously it translates into Arbiter, but I found the translation for arbiter appropriate; a person having complete control of something. This fits considering each lord is literally god of their own domain. And each quadrant should be different than the others. I've already got Amon as having an battleground(s), while Berith will likely have a volcanic and mountainous region. I imagined Arthfael's to be a sort of icey domain, or something similar. As for Dorothy, I had originally planned it to be Lord Berith, given that I see him as the most methodical, and level-headed of the Lords. On that note, I also intended to revive Ulquiorra (he's my favorite bleach character btw), given that the 8th and 9th espada apparently ended up in hell if you recall reading that chapter(s), to promote the new bleach movie. I thought of using Ulquiorra as a sort of Dante from Dante's Inferno, allowing us a perspective of Hell first hand. Of course this is all speculation and nothing concrete yet. --- Illuminate Void 00:45, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Reply
Look, I'm going to spare the long reply I was planning to give to retort your statement, but I'll say this simply. I respect your opinion, as well as the opinion of Nexus. I really do. But I've already consulted with admins, and most of us, if not all of us, are in agreement that Bleach is a central Shinto influence. I don't want to sound like a bad guy right now, and make it seem like I think I'm better than you, or anything ridiculous like that. However, I'm not going to take every single opinion into account. Nothing would get done if I did that. The fact is, Kubo has shown us time and again that everything he's written has a Shinto influence, and we just need to deal with that. If you don't want to write about Shinto influenced ideas, then maybe Bleach isn't the right series to write fan fiction for. It's a cruel thing for me to say, and I apologize. I'm glad we have had users like you come on, and design such well-written content, and I'd prefer not to lose you. But I can't make everybody happy. I am the Head Admin, and the Admins are the leaders. And since you quoted something, I'll quote someone as well.

"Even if you sympathize with your subordinates you can't go around tryin' ta please them all the time. You should do things the way you want to do them, and if nobody follows you, it just means you weren't cut out for this job."

I've been followed by many users here, admins and regular users alike, but I know that I'm not perfect, and I can't expect everybody will agree with my decisions, and the decisions of the admins, but that's how we run things here. I will take both your opinion and Nexus's opinion into personal consideration, but I'm not going to tell you with a straight face that I'm going to change the Shinto rule over this. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 21:27, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Mistress and the Hound & Other stuff
Just got back, I've been surprisingly busy today, so I havent had the time to make any posts. I saw that you started the next roleplay, although I'm a little confused, as to where its going. I had thought you would want to RP their initial meeting, but this one takes place directly after Inquisition of the Pacifist. Not that I mind, but I was just confused at first. Before I respond, is there anything or rather where did you want to take this RP? A slice of life regarding Dorothy and her crew? Or did you want to go into some other nefarious schemes? It helps me, if I have a goal in mind, that way I'm not just...writing filler of sorts.

On another note, although it isn't explicitly stated, any given Diabolus can "evolve" so to speak. Its sorta implied, but that may just be from my POV. A Diabolus are physical manifestations of spiritual energy intermixed with the energies that compose Hell. This process is spontaneous, and different concentrations give birth to different Diabolus. Powerful ideas, or concepts as stated in the Diabolus entry give birth to Daemon and Arcus Daemon respectively. Given that it should be possible for a Diabolus to artificially acquire such concentrations themselves, but not without great personal sacrifice.

In all honesty, this is probably what Dorothy plans to accomplish for herself and the rest of you. By corrupting large portions of Karakura town or similarly just powerful individuals the harvested spiritual energy would greatly increase any one of your powers, possibly causing an evolution to an Arcus Daemon. Of course this can be done over time. I assume Rutilus was originally a Hell hound himself who through his contracts acquired enough power to "evolve" himself. This would make quite a bit of sense actually. Although Dorothy would rather do so in the next few months-years as opposed to centuries.

I'll explain my reasoning for stating that all Diabolus are inherently evil. In contrast to Hollows which are nothing more than animals, eating to survive, Diabolus are born with sentient intelligence. Furthermore as beings born from Hell, negative emotion, evil at its purest, is literally part of their very form. Imagine basic human instincts, and multiple that by ten-thousand times. Selfishness, greed, etc, are all apart of a Diabolus's persona.

However, whatever path a Diabolus takes is up to them. Even in the real world, goodness is learned, it is not inherent. It must be taught. The same holds true for Diabolus. While they begin as evil they are free to turn into whatever it is they want to. The same goes for Hollows. Remember Nelliel, Stark, Grimmjow, and the rest of them, had to have consumed human souls, and Hollow ones to get where they're at right now. While they may have been evil in the past, through their experiences, they could have gained good characteristics.

As I see it, while Diabolus can become good, its perfectly within their right, they are sentient creatures, I believe their "goodness" is twisted, and warped. For example Dorothy, pretty much damned Aurora, corrupting her as a human, casting her into hell, transformed her into a Diabolus, then sent factions of Diabolus against her. This is probably about as evil as one can get, yet Dorothy has a twisted sort of...motherly or sisterly love for Aurora. In her eyes, she nutured a future ally, casting her into hell was a test of Aurora's resolve, and the factions fighting against her, were...testing her abilities, training so to speak. Sure what she did was evil, manipulative and sadistic, but it is also Dorothys warped version of "love".

Don't get me wrong though, Dorothy is wholly evil, she is a corrupt being, that no amount of redemption will change that. Her only sin was being born. Everything thereafter is just the ripple. There were no...bad childhoods, nothing to turn her into what she is now. Humans may have a clean slate, but Diabolus dont. --- Illuminate Void 23:19, March 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm, to be honest, I was hoping for Rutilus to drive the plot this time around. Dorothy has just smacked the proverbial hornets nest, so at the moment is content to watch and see who and what trouble she's stirred up. This is actually a good time for any of the other Diabolus to come into the picture, and/or present their own ideas of what..plans they'd like to get started. The next official arc so to speak would include introducing Chrono's character, possibly meeting Hiroya, and the ramifications of the last battle. Possibly introducing other Shinigami after Hiroya, or those investigating what exactly happened. But in the meantime, this is a good time for the other Diabolus to shine, and do their own things. For example, Flamen's battle would have likely occured during this period of time. Hmm...but what other plans would Dorothy have in the meantime? Damn, give me...a few hours to think of something. --- Illuminate Void 00:42, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Introduction
I was thinking of having my character appear at the school the following day, since it has the highest concentration of residual spiritual energy as of now. He'd probably be investigating the events of the previous night, which would logically lead him to the school. He could bump into Ryuichi or Hiroya, if either of you are so inclined...Chrono Nexus 01:00, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

hmmm....
Sorry for the late reply... hmm well your work is just plain good... (compared to my work of emptiness) hmm... I think I have to choose Hiroya or *lucifer*... ^_^ there both very very good... (most of your work are...lolz) ^_^ Lone Black Garuga 11:14, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Njalm2. I need a favor can you find a transtion for this please its Divine Ark of Twilight. Thank you.: The Twilight of Your Despair 14:52, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

It was my mistake, you thought that I was making something for the Diabolus or wanted a Latin transtion. I wanted a japanese transitions. But Kenji-san gave me one so thanks anyway.: The Twilight of Your Despair 21:03, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Njalm. Do you know any places or have any pics of arks/mystic boxes that seals something inside of it. And Yes I have used both google anime images and deviant art.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:34, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yes Arks is plural arc is singular with like Joan of Arc. Also, please check out masanori kawahiru, I made him for a xmas gift last year for sei and I was wonding if you could tell me about his zanpakuto.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:53, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yo
Well, here's my view on things. Naibu's Jōzai uses a combination of both optical illusions and skillful wordplay to turn foes against one another. In the case of Senbō which plays on a foes envy, he utilizes both illusions and wordplay. Your guys defenses would stop the optical illusions, so a part of it wouldn't be effective against him; though Naibu's orator skills would carry him through. Besides, I was only using his powers as an example.

Anyways, moving on to the Yuengiri. They aren't really a peace-keeping organization. Far from it, in fact, considering their militant background as part of Soul Society's military, and their current status as the main combat style of The Ryu Order. They want to focus on loyalty because everyone would then share a similar mind set and peace would follow, but that's impossible to accomplish in the world because of everyone having free will. Everyone can think what they want, interpret things the way they want and ultimately make their own decisions in regards to their own loyalty. That means there will always be conflict, because there are as many different loyalties as their are people. Looking at the other three of the four tenants the Yuengiri hold to, you can see that they're focused greatly towards the Yuengiri's own interpretation. They value justice, but the justice they deliver may not be true justice (look at Kenji's decision to re-create them away from Soul Society. Hardly remaining loyal to their past relationship or being fair to the Soul Society. The justice done there was that the Yuengiri became free). They have honor in their actions, which links with justice as it means their actions are fair; but fairness could just as simply fall under whats fair in the eyes of the Yuengiri. And then their's bravery, which can really only be followed in battle situations, where the peace keeping goes completely out the nearest window and to hell in a hand basket. No, the Yuengiri aren't peace keepers at all. Look at their individual combat styles. The Wan'nesu is a weapon style, meant to enhance their effectiveness in battle. If they were peace keepers, they wouldn't have need at all for the Wan'nesu. Whew, that was long lol. Anyways, you still want Hiroya to come into contact with them? Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 10:19, March 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * That was just my view on things, so let me answer the question you asked about the Zanpakutō Guide. If you wanna use Jōzai as an example, then by all means, go right ahead dude. Thanks for asking first, btw. Out of curiosity, though, what you planning on including in the guide? Zanpakutō are as varied as the characters they belong to, so your in for a long and comprehensive guide to cover all the bases and different fields, ya know? Illusion-types (with Aizen and all are targets for spam) along with Zangetsu-copies because of their popularity and potential. It won't be at all easy, so let me wish you luck with the guide.


 * Well moving on then. I have no problems with anyone joining the Order and he'll have plenty of chances to interact with the Yuengiri in Horiwari Village if he does join. When I'm finished a few of the RP's I'm doing with Raze, Yuki and Koukishi currently, maybe we could get a kind of mini-arc set up where Hiroya meets my main characters (Kenji, Kusaka etc) and gets inducted into the Order proper. Looking at his level of skill, he'd easily make either Master-rank or the Ryu Guard without need for training. Does that sound alright to you? Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 12:19, March 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Probably best that way. People generally prefer things short and sweet when it revolves around guides, ya know? Elemental-types are pretty self explanatory, but I'd recommend you explain what's meant with Kidō-types revolving around a single special ability (like sound for example). A while before I joined the site, there was a big problem with people making Zanpakutō in the zanpakutō list and labeling them under categories like "Sound-type" or "Dimensional-type" when they really belong in the Kidō-type. Mention that, and it might help prevent something like that happening again. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 12:54, March 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I meant short in that you said you wouldn't delve into the describing each individual type and focus mainly on do's and do not's. That in itself would make the guide shorter, no? But Kamui's zanpakutō takes the basic concept of Kyoka Suigetsu, I'll admit, but expands on it in such a way that it becomes a zanpakutō-type all on its own. Yes, its illusions are powerful, but it isn't an illusion-type by definition as it employs the force of Reason, making it a completely unique concept and the first and only Reason-type. Kamui's Shinbyeong utilizes illusions predominately in Shikai, but look at the 2nd Shikai release and you'll see it reads Shinbyeong turns off all of its illusions, and grants him offensive techniques in lieu of said hypnosis. In the 2nd Shikai, he has no illusions and uses his physical attributes instead with a very nice application of the forces of the Dangai included. Then his Bankai, while adopting illusion properties, is in fact similar to Seireitou Kawahiru's zanpakutō in that it continually evolves by acting in a way to cure its own illness. Now, calling Kamui's content godmodded and un-original isn't on, dude. Yes, he's powerful and that's half the fun in my eyes. When Sei said he was using Kamui for the tournament I very nearly done a dance lol. If you fought Kamui and lasted a while, then all well and good. The thrill and enjoyment of challenging someone as strong as him adds to the story and the fun of the thing, 'cause it gives the under dog countless opportunities to proof their worth and the incentive to gain more strength after the confrontation; at least that's my opinion and outlook on the thing. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 14:37, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

No problem, dude. Anyhow, the Yuengiri was my brain child, so if you've any questions about it, then drop me a line. There are certain parts I still need to expand and work through (their current status and ideals for example). I've revealed their history in some detail in earlier story arcs, so I need to add that as well *sigh*. My work is never done lol. Oh well, half the fun, I guess. Now, I'm gonna write up the meeting Kenji has with his older bro to make the majority of his content on the brothers article relevant and not dreamed up lol. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 15:02, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Daemon Canis
Evolutions huh? Hmm I had always envisioned Rutilus simply acquiring more power, and expanding on his own abilities than undergoing in specific evolution. Although there are circumstances to generate an effect like that, most are very rare and purely accidental. Diabolus can evolve, sure, but generally most of them go about trying to acquire different powers.

This can be done depending on the type of sin or corrupt soul one devours. There's a reason beyond preference that Diabolus choose specific types of corruption that they give life to in humans so that they may devour the souls later on. It plays a part on the development of their own powers too. You dont have to keep yourself...constrained to an "evolutionary state". There are other avenues available, rituals, and forbidden magic to help facilitate the changes you may want.

Also remember, power is relative. Chrono's character Micheal, was barely able to control the Diabolus sealed within him and THAT was a Bestia Imp, the very weakest of the Diabolus. Compared to a C or B class type Bestia, let alone a Daemon, of even low rank, they would be considered exceptionally powerful beings. Don't lose sight of how rare truly powerful individuals are in the Bleachverse.

In all of Soul Society, there are only, two dozen, probably a little more given the Royal Guard, spirits that are Lieutenant level or stronger. I wasn't joking when I said Ryuichi was a prodigy, and a very powerful character in his own right. Sure he's about equal with a Lieutenant, but in comparison to most other creatures, he's a frickin god. Legends like...Hercules and the like would probably be around this level of strength when they began, becoming Captain level at the apex of their legends.

As for the Nine-Tailed Kitsune? When I get around to creating it, its strength wont be higher than A-class Daemon. While they are regarded as some of the strongest creatures in Japanese myth, again power is relative compared to everyday normal humans. I'm happy that despite the fact that the majority of Diabolus on this site, including Dorothy are weaker than a Shinigami Captain. Part of the allure is the challenge in competing against these monsters of spiritual power. I'm proud of the fact that our articles are balanced, something that is sorely needed on a site like this. Don't feel pressured to create exceptionally powerful entities. Sometimes...its good to be the underdog. Haha I made a funny! --- Illuminate Void 20:31, March 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ahh alright then, I wasnt sure of your intentions at first, but I'm satisifed with the answers I've gotten. Oh, one more thing, you've mentioned the end of "Dorothy's plot". To be honest I had no intention of killing off this character. And if she did die...well, it isnt the end, not by a longshot. --- Illuminate Void 21:13, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Dorothy wont be the main antagonist forever, in fact she could end up as a protagonist given the right situation. But hey, things could turn out differently than you think. Dorothy could actually facilitate his transformation willingly, by seemingly betraying him or trying to kill him. Keep in mind, one of Dorothy's primary goals is strengthening the members of her army, so she will concoct plans to accomplish this. And yes I did decide to give Ryuichi an actual martial art after you did so. I originally didnt plan to, but since you were able to meld it so well with your own character, I figure I could do the same. Hmm and it might be possible for Ryuichi to make an appearance in the RP. Although he'll probably stay hidden and watch the ensuing battle for now. --- Illuminate Void 22:05, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Relationship
Sure go ahead. --- Illuminate Void 22:42, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Pics
And before you ask yes I have used google and deviant art for pics. Do you a place or have any pics of arks not a boat ark but a mystic box ark. Cause I plan to seal "something" inside of it that will maybe I hope turn into a great storyline.: The Twilight of Your Despair 00:31, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

What you think of Masanori Kawahiru zanpakuto: The Twilight of Your Despair 18:29, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe, however while he can create weapons or objects. The affects like say if he made an effect that made the use of kido impossible to all that are in the range of his zapakuto reiatsu it will only work on those whom are that the same strength or weaker than him. Plus he must at all time think or believe that what he is creating is real, so if he starts to think that it isn't real than the affects or the item created will be uncreated.: The Twilight of Your Despair 19:07, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Roleplay Delay
I apologize for taking so long to respond in my RP. I've been kind of busy this weekend. A good friend of Void's from the airforce was in town, so we've been hanging out over the weekend. I should be able to provide a response soon, though.Chrono Nexus 10:06, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

RE:Zanpakutō Guide Request
Well, I don't see why not, go for it. But, a word of advice. Those people who make the Zangetsu ripoffs, they do that on purpose, because they find Zangetsu "so cool". So, I just don't want you wasting your time when people probably might not even pay attention to it. After all, we have a policy and guidelines that explain the use of which infobox and stuff, and yet people still use the outdated ones. But if you're determined, I won't be against it. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 17:57, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * P.S. I didn't ignore it, I didn't notice the message. I usually get several messages a day about requests, questions, etc, so I tend to just eventually not even look at my messages sometimes so I can finish whatever it was I'm working on, whether it's in rl or on the wikia. --Seireitou-shishō [[File:Seireitou's signature picture.jpg]] (My True Identity 18:00, March 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Great guide, I'm glad you took the time to actually construct something like that. I do have a few suggestions of my own in creating Zanpakutou (which is funny since I've created virtually none myself). But I do understand the process quite a bit, not unlike creating a character. As you mentioned before the Zanpakutou should have a connection with its wielder. In this case I've seen Zanpakutou that have abilities in accordance with the user or those with what I consider ironic abilities. Shirohane is a defensive type Zanpakutou because Hiroya is a pacifist himself. Alternatively it would be ironic if his Zanpakutou was instead entirely offensive based, this would be an ironic ability. Playing off of the wielder seems to be a theme in the Bleach verse. Tousen's zanpakutou had sound based abilities and its bankai robbed people of their senses (Tousen himself was blind, having already lost one of his own senses). I think having a clear example of how a Zanpakutou is created would be good to have in the article. Perhaps explaining the steps you took to create Hiroya's Shirohane, and perhaps talk with a few other users and get their input on how they constructed their own Zanpakutou. Thats all I have for now, but good luck with it. --- Illuminate Void 22:39, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

No Problem
Sure I'll review him again, but I'll leave it to tomorrow if its alright with you, because I've got no classes and a free day to take my time and do it properly. Oh yeah, got Naibu's Bankai worked through, if you wanna give me your opinion. I'll admit your zanpakutō guide was refreshing and helped in making it fit - or conflict - with his personality. The main power remains the same, though the direction took is changed to make it a little more brutal. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 18:35, March 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * That works for me to lol. Cheers dude :) Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 19:08, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks for that, dude! You got the inspiration of the dimensional world spot on, which I was expecting people to see when I designed it, to be honest. Its one of Itachi's greatest skills and one of my favorites, but I tried to stop the blatant copy like you mentioned in the review. And you picked up on everything, including the alludes to emotionless characters and such not being effected and the single application of the Shikai - though that was mentioned in the Bankai bit. Very thorough, dude. A prime example would be Twilight's Spirit character, who has no base emotions, so he wouldn't be effected at all; perhaps only through Naibu's orator skills on something other than emotions.

But I agree that our characters have to meet when I finish up with this tourney of Twilight's (depending on whether I win or lose), and I'm thinking Naibu's the character I'm gonna use. If your still looking for Hiroya to join The Ryu Order, then Naibu can act as the person who introduces you to the group, considering his rank and friendship with Kenji. And Hiroya would definitely make a grand addition to the group as a whole, especially in terms of Kidō usage and manipulation. Anyway, I thank you for the review dude. It was appreciated, 'cause I didn't really know if the Bankai gelled well with the Shikai or his personality at the beginning 'cause my little brother who usually gives me a second opinion on things like that when asked is up in the city tonight (little blighter's partying away without me gah!) I'll get Hiroya's review done up tomorrow through the day, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 21:13, March 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Seems we've got a few ideas for seperate RP's then. One of my earlier messages about a mini-arc might not seem a bad idea right now. And I agree that Kenji - and by extension the entire Order - could learn a good deal from Hiroya, and not just Kidō. In an ideal world people would listen to his views on conflict and his pacifistic nature and the Order is a varied bunch of folks lol; and the groups focus on freedom would only reinforce that. Anywho when we're on the subject of Kidō I'll tell you why I haven't Kenji listed as a master of the art. While he can use Kidō in the nineties, he isn't a master by any stretch in my eyes because of his predominant use of destructive spells over other fields. He rarely uses binding of any kind, except when he's really in a bind or to rarely accompany his Hadō, usually letting the numbing properties of his spiritual energy do the binding for him. And his ability in healing is restricted to basic first aid to himself and others, and even then it takes next to forever to see any results. And then he currently knows no forbidden spells, which in my book is the staple of a true master. That's why he's listed as an expert on his article, when compared to Ino Choyo whose a master. We'll definitely need to get those RP's punched out in the future, though. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 21:46, March 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm, if things continue the way their going, we're going to have quite a large assortment of characters and people involved. Flamen referenced his own RP battle, and that got me thinking. Since Hiroya will likely be RPing with Kenji and his characters, is there a chance for both to crossover? Assuming Hiroya makes another appearance later on. Its not like Hiroya couldnt use the help. Ill run this by Kenji too, see if he's interested. --- Illuminate Void 21:58, March 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * The problem with starting now is that I have barely any free time as it is with the projects I have running at the minute to possibly have time to start more without finished the others. I remember a while back when Raze had something like 7 or 8 different RP's running, and the guy didn't have a free minute to work on his own articles and such separately. I had 6 and could barely keep up with them all. And right now, Naibu's certainly not twiddling his thumbs story-wise. The Hidden Shadows Arc is the story-line he's involved with now that deals with his guardianship over Kenji's son and the majority of the Order's future potential in terms of leadership - that runs at the same time as Twilight's tournment, hence Kenji's absence as Naibu's presence over Kenji's. If you wanna see the arcs I still need to punch out for my own stories then check out Bleach (Kenji Hiroshi) to get a good idea of it all.


 * As for Kenji's zanpakutō, it isn't strictly a Kidō-type because it doesn't revolve around a specific special ability, like say, Tōsen does with sound/vibration. It was actually the first Mythology-type created because of its prominent influence on the gods and titans featured in Greek mythology; much like how his older brother's zanpakutō takes the majority of its influence from the River Styx and Charon and the interaction the latter has with the dead. Its wide range of elemental powers stop it being classified as any one elemental-type also, so the Mythology-type fits.


 * Ino's a master in Kidō because she underwent formal training from an unknown master as you said and had plenty of time to mix and match, while she forgo-ed the other skills until she met Kenji and Kusaka. Kenji's early training was mostly focused on spiritual energy and physical abilities such as swordsmanship and Hakuda as opposed to Kidō. At present, Ino's the foremost master in Kidō among the Order's ranks, possibly only Meian Shiba matching her in that regard; though he's had a lot more experience and far better teachers than Ino has had. Anyways, I'm gonna hit the hay, 'cause I'm knackered. Later dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 22:51, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Vialatus RP
Its funny how great minds think alike. I had originally intended to put Lady Rosalinde as his teammate and that they were currently "away". Plus I need a Diabolus that 1) isnt the head hancho 2) isnt primarily support. I'd like to do an RP battle with him sometime. I'll be finishing him later today hopefully. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 17:56, March 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sure go ahead, add the information. Just makes everything more interesting. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 21:06, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Spirit
What you think of one greatest creation Spirit? For one day most likely by xmas this year he will be stronger than Haru or even Kiyoshi one of the four universal kings.: The Twilight of Your Despair 18:34, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Have any pointer on Spirit. Also, when I do make his zanpakuto you want to review it will be an illusion type but not one like aizen's.: The Twilight of Your Despair 21:14, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Risutoa Risutoa or restore is a new power for humans like Fullbring that I am working on. What you think of it?
 * The Twilight of Your Despair 14:25, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

RE:Yagami no Kenshin
Hmm his Zanpakutou-Type is....I guess it could be an Illusion type, although thats just loosely putting it. I have an idea of the Shikai, and will serve as the basis for his beguiler mastery, and why he did what he did by going under different personas. It's still on the same line as...manipulating perceptions..but...very different than what I had originally had with the Noble Phantasm and such.

By the way, I'm a little confused as to where you're going with the RP Mistress and the Hound. Who is the guy in the hospital? I thought the last bit at the hospital with Micheal was a good closing, along with Flamen and Rutilus going back to the Dorothy to wrap things up. Do you have something else in mind? --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 23:17, March 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ryuichi will NOT be recieving Yagami no Kenshin as a Zanpakutou, I have something else in mind for him. And yes it would be an interesting set of RPs with Hiroya, given that I will at least have a character who is on equal footing with him. Oh and in the future, try to make it more clear who some characters are when they're doing actions, it tends to leave the rest of confused as to who or what they are. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 17:47, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the praise, but I honestly didnt have any solid plans of where to go for the illusion based abilities, and the ideas I did have, made it....broken...it would be godmodding to the extreme, and I couldnt bring myself to do that. Also since i made him a Zanpakutou spirit, i felt that its power should be both ironic and original complementing his personality, history, etc and I think this best fits it. As for the Ansatsuhō, I'm quite aware of it, I've studied japanese for four years, and I spent a year and a half in japan as well. So I'm somewhat adept at reading/writing/understanding basic japanese. Honestly though its just a pain in the ass to write out everytime, since I'd have to manually change it from the source edit, each time. It can be written either way, and i just find it easier this way. Same reason, I write Ryuichi without the ū. But the Ansatsuhou are actually seperate, and not meant to be "offensive" abilities of the Zanpakutou, really just techniques Yagami no Kenshin has developed as an Assassin. Sure they may use some abilities from his Zanpakutou, but i call that adaptability. Being able to use your powers in interesting ways is the key to success, even if they are limited. In fact thats why its I limited Vialatus's wave manipulation to just light waves and sound waves for now. Its a broad category and while some people feel thats cool, its honestly more of a hassle than having a specific power. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 19:47, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Want to help with my RP?
I'm doing a RP with my Kamiyama Haruhi character, and since Hiroya is making an appearance, I thought you might want to RP him. The Scion, the Witch, and the Rector --- Chrono Nexus 01:53, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, got another idea for the next episode, arc, ect. Its devious...well downright diabolical. God being evil is so...easy. Anyways, you recall the Bestia Imp right? Well it should be possible to seal them inside objects. Well what if they were sealed into...medicine...pills..liquids, etc. And lets target...children again. So Dorothy has her army set this up, and distribute this...medicine across the city. Within days, even a week, the town is in pandemonium. Children of all ages have become highly aggressive, violent, doing drugs, engaging in sex, vandalism, theft, even murder. The heroes will undoubtly have to figure this out, and stop it. Now the two objectives they could have are destroying the manufacturer or the pharmacy's thats selling this...tainted medicine. Regardless of their success, the heroes will likely be labled as terrorists. Then Dorothy finishes the plan off by introducing a plague. With medicine in disarray, a will not be readily available, ultimately causing much death and destruction. The reason for this? Well, wont it be convienent for Dorothy and her army to simply swoop in and offer a cure...in exchange for...well...you know. What do you think? And if possible, whenever Kenji finishes up, he could help with some of his characters. Kami knows the good guys are going to need all the help they can get. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 23:21, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

Here's a link
I consolidated as much of the Hell Arc information as I could. If I missed anything, please add it, ok?

http://bleachfanfiction.wikia.com/wiki/Hell_Arc_(fanon_series)#Episodes --- Chrono Nexus 00:45, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Hiroya
Uhmm Njalm-kun.. if u dont mind.. can we have a lil RP with me using this char: Ciel.. Thought it as a great opportunity to use a powerful Kido user against another... but if ur busy.. i can understand ^_^ Lone Black Garuga 13:23, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

YAY! tnx Njalm-kun... ^_^ I'll try my very hardest to complete Ciel... and as it seems Ciel lack info..I'll use what Kido it is in the Kido list with just lil enhancements if i gain the chance.. So.. May I start? Lone Black Garuga 14:00, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Ur go dear sir ^_^ Lone Black Garuga 14:30, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

^_^ ur go! Ill try to make this as...well, interesting.. Lone Black Garuga 15:19, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Your go my good sir... ^_^ Lone Black Garuga 23:07, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

^_^ and here I give it to you Lone Black Garuga 02:20, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Your go once more Lone Black Garuga 11:33, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

RE:Suggestion
Hmm... Yes, you do have a point. I'll get to that right away. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 21:18, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Optimates (Lords of Hell)
I'm going to be doing a major update to the Optimates, but there are a few things I wanted to discuss with and get input about. The first thing was that I realized that creating an article for each Optimates is..impractical. Given the level of power each of these beings will possess it would be better if I created a single consolidated article that address what they are and their general abilities.

Secondly, I think I talked about this before, but each Optimates...their spiritual energy is so immense, that attempting to classify it in the bleachverse is....well it cant be done. I'll go into detail regarding hell itself on the actual page but suffice to say its not what everyone believes it to be. We know its divided into four regions each controlled by an Optimates. These regions are similarly immense in size, afterall they account for basically the entirety of Hell. In reality these regions or "Regnum" as they will be called, which means, Kingdom, realm, domain, etc, are extensions of an Optimates spiritual power. The very earth, or rather ground, structures, the realm itself IS the Optimates. The four of them combined ARE hell. An Optimates is as close to a "god" as you can get in regards to their influence in their own domain. However they are also bound to Hell. Meaning they can never leave. I know that you mentioned Lucifer as being able to do so, but what I had in mind for the Optimates contradicts that. As beings of this power, there MUST be some sort of limitation, some reason why they havent gone and conquered earth, Hueco Mundo or even Soul Society. Actually if you could lend some help it would be very much appreciated towards finishing the page.

I want to get general information down, an overview of what they are, what hell is, and a general description of each individual Optimates. This can serve as a plot device, given how unique...Aurora is. At first I didnt mean to, but the more I think about it the more interesting it becomes. One of the Lords possibly Lucifer since you've fleshed him out, or Lord Beherit himself will be sending their agents to acquire Aurora, since she would be able to open the gates of hell and free them. Chrono suggested that Lady Rosalinde and Vialatus join with the lords to hunt Dorothy down. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 02:36, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Well we dont need to necessarily power them up. Remember, Dorothy demonstrated that power isnt everything in her fight against Hiroya. Despite the fact that she lost the battle she still won the war. Besides, Chrono is using Michael, who is by far the weakest character on this website.

Although to illustrate their power, consider this. An Optimates being what they are create avatars, containing small portions of their power. If you consider that an Optimates with the full extent of their power is roughly the size of a continent, then...well even a fraction is too big to contain, even in an avatar. They would need to use a human vessel, and even that would only be able to use a fraction of the avatars power. This avatar in a vessel would have roughly the same level of power as a Shunsui - Aizen-class Shinigami captain. Approximately one-one thousandth of their power. THAT is what I mean by the Optimates being wholly powerful. Trying to send even one-third would likewise sink a third of a continent. Thats why they use Avatars. They are more like forces of nature unto themselves than actual beings. Concepts like...form are somewhat meaningless to them. Though out of the four lords, Arthfael is the one most likely to host a tournament. Though I suspect if he did hold a tournament he would have an ulterior motive...most assuradly, afterall he is the "Prince of Lies" and best represents...betrayal.

Hmm, well what I envisioned was that Hell is a rather...ambiguous term. The only ones who know the true nature of hell would be the Optimates themselves. Everyone else is none the wiser. Besides in reality not much is changing in regards to hell. As opposed to thinking of the Optimates as entities its best to consider them as impossibly large masses of concentrated reishi.

Hmm, I had planned to use the River Styx as the space between the different quadrants of hell. Charon, the creature that ferries souls across the River Styx would be an Arcus Daemon with the unique ability to navigate it, having the ability to manipulate "space", since the River Styx would be spatially infinite in size. Also for creatures that go in without protection (of which only Charon can provide in addition to his service as ferryman), the River Styx would cause them to lose their individuality, their very minds and anything unique about them, forever lost in its void.

The Optimates make up the "Hell" the Diabolus form from. The "layers" of hell that some people are familiar with made popular by Dante's Inferno would constitute as these other regions that exist. The Optimates just have their own kingdoms seperate from these. Hell is much more expansive, and I realize it was somewhat arrogant to say that they ARE hell. More like they compose famous kingdoms found in hell. Lord Beherit's domain will be known as Tartarus. We figure it would be good to name each domain an Optimates occupies to further illustrate this point. I agree with the countermeasure but like I said, all the details havent been written out yet. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 01:37, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hey
Since Yahweh (God) was deleted from this site and since my strongest villian plan was to serve him. Can we redo the rp with him and your ex kido corp captain. The result can be the same of the battle. And if we do a do over the reason for their fighting is that Haru is karakura and that while he is fighting some low level royal guard captains that are trying to catch him the pre-school gets caught in the middle of it. Or we can have a new rp just Haru's plan is now different from before the new BFF rules.: The Twilight of Your Despair 14:55, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Well, thats fine and I am changing Haru's history too. Btw I am making Kaosu Souzou the first Supreme King which is worlds far more powerful than Kiyoshi and could be able to take on one of the four grand ruler demons of hell, yet I haven't decided yet if he could cause I don't want to be making referrences like that without yours and voids permission.: The Twilight of Your Despair 16:59, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

I was eating, but I don't know yet how powerful i will make him. and i was wondering as the only other person to create a cosmos soul left bff than do you want to in the future to make one?: The Twilight of Your Despair 17:42, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

I forgot to ask what you think of this new power I am making for humans. Risutoa: The Twilight of Your Despair 21:03, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

You and the other three don't have to make an arc with me, I only thought it would be fun. And while I my article often lack a lot of info. I am the only one that does them. I may get a lot of help with what to add or things about them. but as I am a college student, and training to go to cooking school I often or really get on at night this spring semester. Just I am trying to fix all my articles ok but as its you three working on your joint projects and I am alone with mine and I am still running my tournament waiting for Sei to start. So yeah I am busy. If I wasn't I would have about 50 more characters and not joking I have ideas for many kinds of characters.: The Twilight of Your Despair 17:00, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Beezlebub
Yeah, I guess you're right. I couldn't find a suitable picture of an infant anime character, that was also distinctly demonic, and tried to substitute it, but I suppose it is a bit over the top. I might have to change his description in the future if I find a replacement or a better picture. Also, feel free to change or expand on the contents of those articles, if you want. I took some liberty with Arthfael's domain, and if you don't like that, go ahead and change it too. Chrono Nexus 08:14, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * I used a picture of Koenma from Yuyu Hakusho as a placeholder, but I think I've found a good replacement. I'm using a picture of the possessed ghost/child of Guts/Griffith/Caska from the seinen manga Berserk. What do you think of it? Chrono Nexus 02:42, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Hell Ideas
Hey Njalm, I was reading through some of your articles regarding hell and the optimates and I wanted to ask if you thought about incorporating the different levels of hell (dante's inferno)? This was just an idea that came to me and you can already tie it within the main bleach universe since Aizen was locked away in the deepest dungeon in hell. I don't know, just figured I would throw that at you if you haven't already thought of it first. Northstar1012 16:26, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Heya Dude
Sorry dude, but can the review I said I'd do for Hiroya wait for a while, possibly? I've been busy with a few personal matters on my end and honestly haven't the time to do anything constructive and helpful like you did with Naibu a while back. Real sorry, but I've lost even more free time than I do usually with things popping up lately. Anyways, I will answer your question about Meian Shiba, though. He isn't strictly a good guy, because future actions will pit him against his brothers and allies; but he doesn't fill the role of an antagonist because he would never kill any of them because he either respects them (Kusaka's case) or related to them (Kenji, Rosuto and his sister). He's best described as a third party, with his own intentions and goals who pops up to help out of curiosity sometimes. His main role is to force Kenji to develop his powers due to a promise he made previously to their departed mother, because there's still a great deal Kenji has to learn, so I figured who better to teach him than his oldest sibling? So, he's neither a good guy or a bad guy, though he leans closer to the side of good, rather than evil. Cheers for the comments, though :) Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 18:07, March 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that, dude :) To save you the time, don't worry about the zanpakutō, since you've already covered it quite a bit before lol. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 19:49, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Shouhei Soyokaze
Interesting character, I really like his Zanpakuto and the "Three Phases", its a well done illusion type Zanpakutou. Well thought out, and balanced. Good job. But what weren't you satisfied with in regards to Hiroya and the Inquisition of the Pacifist? --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 20:17, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, alright then. But yeah I can understand. If you consider the recent events going on, Dorothy has largely remained in the background, directing and moving the plot forward in a sense. Captain-level Shinigami SHOULD be doing what she's doing. As powerful as she is, she fills the role Urahara/Yoruichi filled, by acting as a support/guide for their allies. But yeah, the Inquisition of the Pacifist, taught Hiroya a valuable lesson. He's going to need allies, if he wants to remain hidden, and his abilities are best put to use at the seat of a group/organization than behind a desk. He can do a lot more good that way. But sure, we'll just need to introduce Shouhei soon enough so he can get in on the action. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 21:10, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

I took the liberty of correcting 90% of re-spacing on Shouhei Soyokaze .: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:45, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

That didnt seem to fix the major errors, so I went into the source and fixed it from there. That seems to have put everything back into place. For future reference, you're better off editing from source, just click the button on the Controls tab on the far right. I prefer it as it gives you total control over the formatting of your edits, as opposed to wiki's auto formatting that it does. If you want help in learning to code just send me a message. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 22:56, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Oh really? Hmm I think you'd have to go into your preferences and modify your edit settings to change it. But that aside, it would be really nice if Shouhei and Ryuichi could meet up. Hmm perhaps another RP? I did mention that Ryuichi helps protect Karakura town by working with local Shinigami. So its POSSIBLE they could meet up. It would be easy to slip him into the story that way, or if Hiroya had him as a contact. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 23:16, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

No problem, but I found some really strange coding. Some of the time there was a...period inputted before a line of text or something. It was rather strange. Hmm go to preferences, click the editing tab and checkmark the box "Enable Rich Text Editor" You should be able to edit the source then, as I have it checked myself. In that case, either you or I could start the Roleplay. Given the timing of events, it would take place before Inquisition of the Pacifist or perhaps sometime between it and the other RP The Scion, the Witch and the Rector. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 17:31, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I think by this point, you really dont need to ask if you want to be apart of any my creations, but I suppose the gesture itself is nice. Sure, Shouhei can be a member of the Shinsengumi. Any idea of which division? --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 19:09, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm well given his persona, I'd say he fit in either the Intelligence Operations Division or the Infiltration and Espionage Operations Division. Probably the latter given he has the ability to remain undetected and would make a great..."ninja-isque" character of sorts. Kenshin Yagami is the Squad leader of IEO. His abilities are powerful but well rounded enough that he can fill nearly any role. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 20:11, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Ideas
My new supernatural energy Philosophy you have any ideas for general powers.: The Twilight of Your Despair 17:20, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Edit Issues
Well, I'm not sure, to be honest. It might have to do with the RTE thing, which means you might be better off switching to regular editing from your preferences. Also, I know that most people use Oasis for their wikia skin, while I stick to Monobook, so that might have something to do with it. Anyways, all I can really recommend is asking wikia staff for advice on the matter. I apologize for my lack of knowledge on the subject. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 20:03, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe you need to email them, since I don't think they have a direct line for requests/troubleshooting. Although, I've never found myself needing to contact them personally, so I don't know their email address by heart, but you could probably find it in Community Wikia, the main wikia for all wikias. --Seireitou-shishō [[File:Seireitou's signature picture.jpg]] (My True Identity 21:36, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I understand
Well... Uhmm Well bout that.. Yep I did become a lil waaay too excited and too hasty about my posts.. I understant that having a role-play is for the joy of both those who are doing it but i guess with the actions i made just made me some sort of idiot. I'll try to correct my mistakes in terms of my RPing styles... About the little girl.. Well I do have of plans about that statement until the very end of our RP... which will probably be senseless.. ^_^ tnx for what you just said... But maybe next time you'll change your views on how I work (Cuz, after this, I'll try to improve in everyway I could! And yes, I know my work is like somekind of vomit by the way its sounds.) and hopefully we could do another *better* RP. You actually inspired me to do better soo.... Thank you very much.. Hope we can work together again ^_^ Lone Black Garuga 09:38, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

I rewrote the one where I dispelled the second Hado you made... Uhmm was that the right one? Or was it both posts of Ciel dispelling it? Lone Black Garuga 11:02, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Oh... Sorry again bout that... But I really am thankful for having this RP continue... I'll do my best.. Lone Black Garuga 11:26, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

RP Battle
First and foremost I'd like it if you could...critique my battle against Twilight Despair in Modest Truth of the Night God Vs Colorless World. I'd like to get some feedback on my RP ability, especially with powerful characters. On that note, I'd also like to have an RP battle against Hiroya. Not a normal battle mind you, but an epic one.

A battle where ones punches, kicks, methods of evasion, even their defense are all Kido spells. Thats right, I'm not talking about you tossing one Kido and me tossing another. More like, Kenshin dealing with four or five Soren Sokatsui's that follow him, homing in on his position, dealing with barriers you've placed which limit my mobility AND dealing with the layered barrier/hado traps you've set. Hiroya being a Kido Master should be able to fluidly fight against someone with nothing but his Kido, casting spells in such quick succession that it would give Soifon a run for her money in how fast she's just throwing normal punches. Exaggerated? Perhaps, but we're Aizen-class characters. Lets act like it.

It doesnt have to be long and drawn out, but I dont want it to be over after two or three spells either. So I ask you, can you give me this kind of battle? I long for the day where I can engage an opponent in a fashion where my attacks wont be discounted, but carefully considered with the opponent detailing how they maneuver out of each one. And I the same to them. So, are you up for it? Well later this weekend. I'll be a bit busy this evening. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 23:18, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

THAT is what I'm talkin about! Thats the kinda fight that needs to go down. But to pull if off, especially for cases like that, at times, the role of...story teller may need to be assumed. In that example, its not just me describing how I get out of there but, I'm taking "actions" and you describing the actual results. If you've ever played DnD you'd go from the status of "player" to "GM or gamemaster" for that...scene. If we could work this out, it'd be a pretty interesting battle all together. I've had tons more experience playing DnD than this free form roleplaying. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 23:48, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well Im finally back, so how's your day been going so far? I'm going to add some detail onto Kenshin, specifically his swordsmanship which really needs some work to it. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 21:35, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I know, it seems hypocritical of me to use terms to denote skill that are otherwise not in line with canon. Though I did create his assassination techniques to emphasize his speciality in the art, and I'm crafting a sword style for Kenshin. For now I've named it - Obscuring Lightless Sky. Reading chinese comic books is really inspiring for creating some interesting martial arts techniques. Right now I'm reading "The Four Constables". Beautiful artwork, seriously, these guys know how to draw a fight scene. But I'm writing it out, ill post it later, and elaborate on Kenshin's swordsmanship. I have to admit, Hiroya having an entire section devoted to Kido is rather intimidating. Most...if not 99% of the characters here dont have entire sections like that explaining and illustrating their skill with the number of techniques that Hiroya has. I'll be incorporating that. Seriously Hiroya should be voted for article of the month or something. Its just flat out well done. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 23:47, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Njalm, how was your weekend? Still writing up Kenshin's fighting style, but in the meantime I'll address your questions. Kenshin would likely target Hiroya by orders from his superiors. But if we consider the Inquisition of the Pacifist, then that probably put Hiroya on their radar again. Kenshin would likely be tasked to investigate it given the source of the power. And probably follow Hiroya's trail to the Ryu Order. He might catch up and they battle before he reaches them or even after. Hell, Kenshin might be inclined to join the Ryu Order for no other reason than to collect intel on their members, powers, movements and motivations. See if they are a threat to Soul Society and if they are, he would likely try and destroy them. Recall the Shinsengumi are tasked with investigating any paranormal or supernatural activity. Honestly this is how arcs start for a Shinsengumi member. They get caught up in the webs of others and end up doing something about it. Generally without backup. Its why their a subdivision of the Royal Guard. Although given Hiroya's pacifist nature, I wonder how that would clash with Kenshin's own personality traits? Hmm that might actually temper him, making him a very deadly combatant. One of the reasons I'm finding Kenshin fun to RP as. His personality is always shifting depending on his opponent. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 21:20, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, to be honest, I wasn't sure when you would be doing that. What RPs is Hiroya currently in? That would give me a better time frame of when we could do the RP. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 22:13, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

When doing RP battles, its important to set them up in a way that if possible they can be used as part of an overall story arc. Dorothy DID use him as bait to draw out other forces. Why not use it? Kenshin will undoubtably be drawn to searching for Hiroya, and perhaps the first part of the RP could be Hiroya trying to elude Kenshin. Ultimately Hiroya can only hide for so long before he battles Kenshin. The aftermath would give Hiroya motivation to actually seek out his own allies, given that he is largely running solo, and this is the second time he's been screwed by not having friends to count on. Our battle could be the gateway for Hiroya to seeking out the Ryu Order (given his longevity, and intellect he would have likely heard of them). I think this is the best scenerio, and while it occurs, enough time could pass for Kenji to be ready to RP as well. On that note, I'd be happy to review Hiroya's abilities. I'll try and get the review later today if possible if not Tuesday. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 05:46, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Posted
Uhmm.. I do hope what I did was acceptable.. well ur turn Lone Black Garuga 01:40, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

No Problem
No thanks needed, pal. Glad to help out. I did say the majority of my characters 'cause those two are really the only ones competent enough to fling spells at Hiroya all day with any chance of them hitting the mark and possibly countering them. Shin Nagakura may be fit because of his Shunkō but in terms of sheer Kidō skill, he wouldn't stand a chance. In combat Hiroya would beat Ino if she did something to set him off because he does have a higher degree of skill in swordsmanship and Kidō than she does and I can see that Meian would have a hard time as well. Meian would hold his own in swordsmanship, while Hiroya would destroy him in Hakuda. Meian's main power is his swordplay, Kidō interest and speed because he rarely uses his Shikai unless needed and his Bankai even less (the reason I haven't posted it yet). Dastan, though, has a lot of surprises up his sleeve - and may not be what a lot of people think him to be. The comment about Dastan and Kenji being candle light beside an epic blaze when compared to Meian was made looking at the strength Dastan has shown so far, and while he was the main antagonist throughout Part I and the beginning of Part II, his role is nowhere near finished. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 15:42, March 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * You always ask the difficult questions lol. Well, the answer to their speed skills is easier for Kenji than it is for Meian, so I'll start with Kenji. While he has developed Senka and Utsusemi, the main boost to his speed comes from his lightning manipulation which is an outside force not usually relevant to Shunpo and learned from his previously held zanpakutō. He is fast, I'll admit, but Ichigo is also fast and not considered a master of the art because his trademark speed is influenced by a force outside Shunpo. The sames true for Kenji in many ways with his lightning-enhanced speed. He could keep up with Byakuya in battle, yes, but if it came to a race, he'd be beaten as he once was during their youth. And he certainly isn't on the level of Yuroichi in terms of raw speed. With his lightning enhancements, maybe, but again that's an outside influence, so it doesn't count towards his average Shunpo abilities in my book.


 * As for Meian, his is a little more complicated in the grouping than Kenji's is because there's a few factors you need to look at and take note of. He is fast, no doubt, but he's also a keen observer and can easily pick up on the subtle pieces of a person's abilities (ability make-up, muscle movements, execution etc), which gives him a great edge in dodging people's attacks. His Shunpo reads Meian's skill in Shunpo is deceptively skilled, allowing him to dodge the vast majority of Kenji's various elemental abilities and tap him on the forehead while the latter was only getting ready to dodge the intended motion. Looking at his zanpakutō section, you'll see that Meian has interacted with Kenji's previously owned zanpakutō - meaning he has had experience facing the one who originally taught Kenji his lightning-based skills. That in itself would give him an edge in terms of dodging, made even greater because of his analytical prowess highlighted in his personality section. Hope that clears up everything, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 15:33, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I've got a question, dude. I seen you posted two pretty good Gintō ideas on Twilight's talk page when I was dropping him my last message. My question is if the Gravity Force can post them on our Gintō page? Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 17:53, March 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Awesome! Go for it, dude. I'm pretty handy at making Kidō incantations, but the Gintō knock me for six most of the time because they're usually so short. Well, the thing is, we have a joining rule... which is pretty annoying In my book, considering. But rules are rules, and since the other founding members (Soifon or Hitsuke if you prefer, Firegod and Crimsonknight) seem to have dropped off the face of the earth, its up to me, Raze and the others to keep up appearances. You need three votes from current members (you've got two, one from me and another from Twilight I'm sure, 'cause I already know he'll say yes lol). Get another vote, and I'll be more than happy to welcome you to the group! As you said already, you contribute already and make use of our stuff, so why not? Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 18:22, March 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the GF! We usually also make any new user go through an RP with one of the current members so there's someone they know and have worked with. Think of it as an initiation of sorts. But the thing is, you've already RP'd with a few of us already, so I don't see the point in having you do an RP when you've already done several. I've already added you to the members list, so fell free to create articles and make reference to the GF universe :) Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 16:41, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hey
I was wondering I am making a Quincy character and I will have him in Karakura would you like for him and your Hiroya to be slightly friends Like Ichigo and Uryu.: The Twilight of Your Despair 16:25, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Good day only two things twoday. Critique if I got better in my roleplay with Illumiate Void in Modest Truth of the Night God Vs Colorless World. Finally my Qunicy character whenever he is finished would you like if he fought against Hiroya. The reason for why he would fight in is that while Hiroya dislikes fighting, he knows of Quincies ability to complete destroy a soul and as even if he doesn't serve the Soul Society but still follows basic ideals that a Quincy's shouldn't destroy souls and trys to stop him.: The Twilight of Your Despair 01:57, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

That is fine. But could you do a quick summary of how I rped in rp stated in the previous message please?: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:39, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Your good with kido creation. What Kind of spell should this Ginto Quincy be based on name Verzweiflung German for Dispair. A Offense, Defense, or Effect Spell. I was thinking Offense but regardless it is going to be in the low 90s of Kido in reiatsu strength.: The Twilight of Your Despair 14:04, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Verzweiflung is the correct spelling transiton for despair. I used several site not including just google tranasition. With that said the reason it is so powerful. That is it requires 20 tubes of Ginto. That when the incantion is spoke which is over 200 words and the ginto are thrown at the opponent that the liguid spirit energy inside of it will be release all at once and will form into a sphere arround the opponent. After which all the spirit energy will attack the opponent at once thus its destructive power in my mind leds to a low 90 level spell like no higher than 91 or whay a 92 could be in Bleach. Also after the spell as the contentration of reish attacks the opponents some inters their body and makes self healing like high-speed regenation diffcult. Whether you agree or not is fine. Just and even though the Qunicy I am making that can use it he can only use once a day even if he refulls all the ginto he can still only use it once a day. : The Twilight of Your Despair 17:28, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Normally, three plus votes are required to join the Gravity Force. You may have my vote. You should ask Kenji what if any requirements they want you to do to join. I had to created two characters.: The Twilight of Your Despair 18:22, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Approval!
Yep! You have my approval Njalm-kun! ^_^ there's really no reason for me to say no... hehehe about the RP.. yep it was GREAT! Thank you Njalm-kun... I learned somethings too ^_^ good luck Lone Black Garuga 12:13, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, while I was looking and researching for new spells I rememberred one that your Hiroya might be able to slightly do that I made. Juuni Zaichuu Jureichi Kurai (Twelve Contained Important Spirit Ground Cry). He would know it being a former Captain of the Kido corps. But he wouldn't be able to cast completely as it takes twelve powerful masters of Kido to use it completely.: The Twilight of Your Despair 13:16, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Kenji made Hado number 95, I just made gave him the pic and told him it ranked in the 90's. I made Bakudo # 7 an 91. and Hado number 81. Plus the forbidden spells Scythe of the Death Goddess, Necklace of Life, and the Juuni Zaichuu Jureichi Kurai (Twelve Contained Important Spirit Ground Cry). Btw the way I am not changing it for one reason. I am going to be using it in the future and while Hiroya is truly godlike in Kido and Spiritual method. The spells uses the Jureichi and no Kido master can completelycontrol that much power. As even if Aizen could turn it into the Royal Key to use the core of its power is why ten master call it forth and the other two send it it to attack but if anything goes wrong I don't want to think about it. That is why other fighter would have to fight the target of the spell as it takes time to make it work.: The Twilight of Your Despair 17:24, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Power Descriptor to Stat Analysis
Hey, this came about while I am writing Hiroya's review, but I noticed a few things regarding his actual stats and the descriptions for his character. I know that the stats are at best arbirtary, but they ARE used as a measuring stick for characters, so in a way they shouldnt be ignored. But I think I've just about figured out ratio between the two.

Reiatsu/Kido
 * Spiritual Power (20)
 * High Spiritual Power (40)
 * Great Spiritual Power (60)
 * Immense Spiritual Power (80)

Offense/Defense This one seems a little more ambiguous. Its like they add together the offense and defense to get an average, and thats the overall skill. But a minimum of 60 seems represent master skill as its the lowest number any Captain has in either field. And at that point we now get into the different "classes" of mastery. Ichinose-class seems to indicate the average experienced captain, average of 70 +/- 10 in either stat, but totaling no more than 140. Gin-class is an average of 80 +/- 10 in either stat, but totaling no more than 160. Byakuya-class is an average of 85 +/- 5 in either stat, but totaling no more than 170. Shunsui-class is an average of 90 +/- 10 in either stat, but totaling no more than 180. Aizen-class is of course the highest being 95 +/- 5 in either stat, but totaling no more than 195. Yamamoto-class is the highest, with him having a rating of 100 in each stat, total being 200. Of course there are other captains with similar levels of skill.
 * Examples: Soifon, Mayuri, Tosen
 * Examples: Gin, Hitsugaya
 * Examples: Yamamoto, Komamura, Kenpachi

Speed seems to fall under slightly different guidelines though, and most of the descriptions are wholly inconsistent with the rating system. Hitsugaya is only described as being an expert despite having a rating of 90. This of course could just be an error on the bleach wiki but still. Barring these inconsistencies, it should follow the same as Offense/Defense. Practitioner (20) Expert (40) - Mayuri is noted to be an expert and his mobility is 40. Master (60) - indicates mastery, but like all things there seems to be several classes in this descriptor. Ukitake-class has a rating of 70. Gin/Tosen-class has a rating of 80. Byakuya-class has a rating of 90. Yoruichi-class has a rating of 100, evident by her mastery.

I did this because, Hiroya's stats skills indicate higher levels of power than you implied. That and it was a rather interesting endeavor, given that unless the numbers are actually connected to the descriptor are meaningless, and regardless of what anyone says, these indicators ARE used to measure our characters power. Enhanced or Augmented abilities would probably add a value of 5 to these skills, while immense would be 10. At least thats how I'm seeing it. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 20:05, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Honshitsu
This is in response to the Kido talk page. Since I'm not a member of Gravity Force, i didnt think it right to post in their talk page.

I dont think the idea is necessarily a "Final Getsuga Tenshou", but it does have some merit. Kido types are largely unused, and Kido spells even less. While we may say "it has the power of a level 90 Hado" in practice that doesnt exactly mean much. There arent any real references for the damage they could deal inflict, and most Kido battles that are RP'ed tend to be on the same lines of a Pokemon battle.

I consider the level of proficiency in Kido as a guideline similar swordsmanship. Individual spell ranks determine, range, and scope as opposed to brute power. I would consider a Hado Black Coffin (Kurohitsugi) to be the equivalent of taking a full on assault from a master swordsmanship specialist if used by one of expert level. If they are a master in kido, consider it augmented, and VERY lethal. No different than allowing me to stab you a hundred times. That kind of lethality.

Though given the nature of Hiroya's Zanpakutou, it doesnt seem to be an ability any user could have. While some Zanpakutou are classified as Kido-type, very few actually augment the users Kido abilities - Hiroya's being the exception. Similar to how Bankai's have...second stage or ultimate technique, I see this as being Shirohane's "final" power. Whether its written in a fashion to make it a desperation move or a power-up similar to the Hollow Mask is entirely another thing. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 20:32, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hey you should read the Gravity Force Talk page for my feed back on this amazing new power you made. Also, I have an idea for a spell that Hiroya just might like to have for his theme. Want to here it?: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:49, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Fall White Feathers of the Lake's Swan soory lack a japanese transition. This spell lets him develop white wings on his arm that allows it to fly and auguments his speed and physical strength. It also allows for him to reflect low level spirit energy based attacks back to the attacker by striking the attack with the feathers. When Hiroya disspell its it heals or restore the land that the battle was faught on while the white feather fall to the ground. Also the reiatsu of the feather clams the minds of any none fighters that watched the fight. Incanation. Skills of the Emperor. Guards of Upper heights, wishes of fools. Seeing what can never be held. While beautiful is beyond foolish. So carry me to the Heavens. Well what you think?: The Twilight of Your Despair 21:23, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm so he DOES have it. Alright then, the way you worded your question was as though it were something new you were planning to add in later. And having it affect only a few chosen spells does balance it out considerably. And no, Hiroya's battle against Dorothy wasnt a pokemon one, well not exactly. Part of the problem with Kido battles is that in the series they are often used one or only a few at a time. Only Urahara used any succession. Thats why I'd like to have the battle against Hiroya with Kenshin in the manner I suggested. Both to serve as a sort of "template" for any future battles where Kido is used, and to get some experience with them in the first place. What I'm suggesting isnt done, if at all on the bleach fanon, so its kind of an experiment. We're Aizen-level characters, while balance is important, longevity in a fight in my mind is sort of a given. They didnt get to where they are now without having to dig deep and fight beyond their limits. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 21:50, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

While it just seem that Hiroya would need an ability to restore the land that he destroys as he seem like the type too do that. Also, not this week but one day soon could you possibly make a character of the Kosumosukihaku or Raifutenshi as they are my creation and only I seem to make them.: The Twilight of Your Despair 21:54, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I was reading your character and I saw something odd. Why does he have only 90 for intellect. Just for someone of his rank in Kido and the fact that how well he can use them plus his knowledge of spiritual power he should have 100 in my opinion. Just they way you use him if you want his battle stats to still be at 545 than just make his physical strength/stamina 55 and not 65 as he gets tired after the use of certian spells. Just to the is good in Kido and not have at least 100 in intellect is like in insult to your character. Just saying your choice. Just if i give 100 to any character I make their intellect 100 to. Plus just cause 100 intellect seem at lot it just shows that only that they have high intellect but is an almost a part of their abilities do to plan making and straegy and tractic making.: The Twilight of Your Despair 05:21, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

RPing with me
Hey dude if you ever wanna RP with me im up for it!ShinobiOfDeath 01:40, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

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While no im not out to get him, I dont like inconsistent content, nor do I like when People ignore the rules of the Bleach Canon, a human cannot have shinigami powers without being a hybrid, even If they were a shinigami, once you lose your powers you cant be a shinigami nor can a normal human gain shinigami powers without special circumstances.--楽しい (talk to Fenix!) 13:26, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Hey
Hey how are you doing. Just I saw that you increased his intellect to 100. Just even in canon other than Shunsui Kyoraku any character that has 100 in Kido/Reiatsu has 100 in intellect. Also just cause one isn't a master doesn't mean that they cannot have, a 100% in something. Example, on the Bleach wiki and believe that they keep all information canon accurate. He is only stated as an expert in Kido/Reiatsu and has 100% in it and his intellect is 100% as well.

Also, about the Classes, yes Aizen-level the highest class do technically start at 560, but it does state that Retsu Unohana and Kisuke Urahara are Aizen-class. Retsu Unohana has battle stats of 540% and while Kisuke is called Aizen-level. However, my belief is that Kisuke is only Aizen-level in some parts namely intellect which is even higher than Aizen's High Intellect (stated by himself) and in Kido which finally sealed him away. I would call this a near-Aizen class or a sub Aizen-class. An example, would be my first article Purinsu Kuchiki and yes I know it need edit. While, Purinsu total battle stats are 520, I called him near-Aizen class due to him being 100% in intellect, Kido/Reiatsu and having levels of Reiatsu close to Aizen.

So while, battle stats are important they don't mean either thing. Hell Jushiro Ukitake's battle stats is only 490, but if he didn't have such low physical strength/health he would be 530% easy. Hell, even though Aizen and Yamamato are equal at 560 battle stats at least until, before his Hōgyoku Implantation and Hogyoku tranformations Aizen states that, Yamamato is stronger than him in one on one battle.

I hope this helps. Hell even though Haru and Kiyoshi both have 560 battle stats, that just an overall of their abilities. Just even I try to keep, with canon lore if all that if I make an Aizen class character. I still only give them immense spiritual power. Just in the description I stated that they both have well over twice as much spiritual power as an average captain-level Shinigami. Once, again I hope this helps in the future. Just I call Aizen Class like S Class characters, just so if you would state where in S class they would go. Haru Nakamaru and Kiyoshi Souzou ,I would have to say low to average S class, due to them being on equal grounds with Aizen and Yamamato in at least intellect, Kido/Reiatsu and strength of Reiatsu.

P.S. I have some more spells/abilities for Hiyora if you want to hear them later.: The Twilight of Your Despair 13:58, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Well, just to me stats are just the foundation of grading one's that doeesn't mean that some with 500 cannot defeat some with 560, but it depends on the fighters. As for Kiyoshi well maybe when I finish his bankai this weekend believe me its going to be wordy.

As for spells I have two possible spells or abilities.

And now you will have to find the transitions


 * 1) Land of Sacred Peace: This spell is an immense healing spell. That by pointing the caster in the center can send their reiatsu to multiple targets and can heal them kind of like an area wide range of standard Kido. Like the method Tsunade using the Healing Chakra Transmission from Naruto, but it only require the one caster and to be in the center of the spell or to be in a focus medition state and sending your spirit energy to targets with you being the center point. Incanation as it isn't a standard heal Kido: Knight of long swords. Eternal sleep of evil. Protected beauty of the Emporer's empire. Move and restore. Forgive your enemies of their foolish arrogance. If you won't use this spell than I am, I just thought it fits Hiroya themes.


 * 1) Wave of Purification: This spell basically remove victims from illusion or the illusions brought by zanpakutos but still it cannot undo the spell of Aizen's Zanpakuto. But like Shinji's zanpakuto Aizen former captain before his it can undo his illusion zanpakuto. Incanantion: False ideals of a trickster. Screaming puppet of clay. Remove and dispell. Give back and be clean. Another Spell he could you.


 * 1) Just before you came here I was going to create a character of Hiroya's level of Kido. I even had a nickname for him the King of Kido. But I don't want the group and Sei to think that all I make is Aizen-class characters. Besides, I talk about Death,Life, Destruction and Creation, but out of the four Creation is my favorite.: The Twilight of Your Despair 16:18, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Hiroya
No problem man, but damn, his large roster of abilities made it so I had to break up the review in parts. As for stats, yeah I can agree, though the total stat ability seems less meaningful than the individual stats themselves. And again, I agree in the long run they dont mean much. Given how often characters "transform" and attain new levels of power its more like a...guideline than anything else. But I still try to maintain a standard regardless. It helps me out anyway.

The second part is coming along, I'm sure you've noticed, but i've also looked through the RPs Hiroya has been in to give a more...indepth analysis. Oh and Phantasmagoria: The Struggle, was written awhile ago to be honest, months ago really. I only just recently decided to fix it up and try and finish it. I was going to suggest giving it a read, since I figured thats the kind of battle style Hiroya might have. I didnt bother naming spells, just general effects, due to the sheer number of Kido that was being cast. But I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Oh, and one thing I found out regarding Aizen's Kyouka Suigetsu. Its not as powerful as I originally believed it to be. When he first describes its effects to Unohana, he states that in several instances and examples that he can basically only create ONE illusion. Though disguising an object or place still counts as "one" illusion, it was never to such an effect that he could create a thousand illusionary copies of himself. If you go through his battles and its usage, you'll see the pattern. At any given time, there is only one and only one illusion ever used. Mostly a decoy of himself. I just found that little tidbit interesting. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 18:23, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

By the way, I'm ready to start our RP battle at any time. I'm still writing out the second part of the review, but I'd love to get it underway. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 20:31, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Feel free to make use of all of Hiroya's abilities. Part of the reviewing process is seeing how these powers are used in practice. Some powers may come off as weak, or gimmicky, but end up being quite powerful. Inversely some powerful abilities end up being useless in battle. In the end the abilities of a character are only dependent on the creativity of its author. It would be best if you start the RP, seeing as I have no idea what Hiroya's current movement is, and Kenshin will end up following his tracks. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 21:01, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'm about...halfway done with the second part of the review, it should be up sometime tomorrow. Also I'm creating my member of the Criminal Organization. I figured that actually having a spy on the inside would be good and who better than the Commander of the Intelligence Operations of the Royal Guard? I could use some help in creating him though. Oh and if possible I'd also like a review on Kenshin Yagami if possible. I dont make characters like him often so I'd to get another opinion of some of his abilities. Thanks. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 01:39, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review thus far, I've since modified Kenshin to reflect some of the things you mentioned. Though I'll get around to rewording his personality a bit for practical understanding. My days always seem to be start in the evening, so I'll be one for quite some time hereafter, updating things. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 04:01, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

The Swan and the Hunter
Hope you dont mind I took the time to set the mood. Its a little wordy, and now I'm going to have to create a new character. I already love the guy! Anyways its your turn. And I'll be gone for roughly the next..hour or two for martial arts class. Ill make my post when I return. Ta-ta. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 22:57, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry bout the late replay, a personal matter came up, so I was unable to respond last night. Anyways, I'll be posting my response shortly (within the next hour once its written). And no I havent forgotten about the 2nd part of the review, Ill try and get that up later today today. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 13:14, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Well I hope my response was to your liking. I tried thinking of a unique way of overcoming the "challenge", hope it was interesting for you. I'll be making the next post in a bit. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 22:45, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply man, but I've been pretty busy today, I've now just had time to get behind a computer. Anyways, thanks for the vote into Gravity Force, I'll see about getting the last one, and updating our RP battle. Oh and do feel free to use your Kido to trap Kenshin again, or use that Haien variant. In this battle, feel free to use your Kido and take on the leading role like you did earlier. And dont stop there, keep it coming too. Consider this a free "card" to play out any combination, theory, or unique way of using your Kido, new spells you've JUST thought up, etc. You wont get it often so make use of this chance. Lets make this an epic battle neither of us will forget! --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 04:04, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Im going to have to apologize for the late/lack of replies these past few days. Things have been very busy, as I've been tending to personal matters (id rather not discuss the details over the net), but suffice to say it has consumed quite a bit of my time. However that period is largely over, and I'll be back to posting regularly within the next day. I'm actually very tired today, having only gotten two hours of sleep today. So I'll be just making small posts, nothing significant and tomorrow I'll be ready to continue our RP. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 01:25, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

In the course of writing out a response, I took some liberties in resolving the last sequence of attacks, having both Hiroya and Taro act. Though I did so in consideration of 1) the...complexity of the battle 2) resolving multiple attack sequences at once. In the future, I dont mind if you or Jet'ika takes such liberties, but I would rather ask beforehand before making my post. Or rather, I'll finish with this, post my response, and ask that the two of decide if what I did was alright. It kind of got away from me, as I was finishing it up, so if this steps on anyones toes, I apologize. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 07:09, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

This is getting to be a repeat thing, but I apologize for the late update. In all honesty, I'm going through a pretty rough time here. Last week a member of my family died, and we're all taking it hard. I'd rather not broadcast this out on the net, but I think you should at least know why. I think I'm just going to take a few days to myself, so I apologize for any inconvience, but I'm certaintly not getting any better at the present rate. I'll try and get something up today, but I make no promises. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 17:07, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks man, appreciate it. Before things...went downhill, I had at two plans in mind. The first was that Tsuchimikado - the Intelligence Operations Commander of the Shinsengumi is actually a spy and agent of this new criminal organization. The second part is slightly more humurous. Recall the scene where Kenshin is at the ramen stand? I had planned to have another flashback where the cook remarks on the oddity of his customer, and its revealed that it is really just a normal ramen stand. Kenshin is just coming to these random conclusions all by himself. But yeah, Im going to take the next few days to clear my thoughts, so I can jump back into normal life. And I'll probably need some help fleshing out the character and zanpakutou...assuming I'm still going with this route. In a way it feels...really cheap if I do make him a spy. Seems unfair in a way. But leave any comments, I'll try and get back to them as soon as I'm able. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 17:27, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

What Kenshin did, was at best a delaying tactic. He had only been able to complete one revolution for his Ansatsuho - Kagerou, making its power on par with a level 96. I'm assuming that his variant is likely stronger, given Hiroya's specialization, and the nature of his Zanpakutou. Kenshin would have had to perform at least 2-3 more revolutions and wait a little while longer before this attack would be powerful enough to overcome any non-bankai spell of Hiroya's. And thats saying something. As you've realized, Kenshin has a horrible weakness against opponents who make effective use of Kido. His release provides no real long-range attacks and so relies on Kido to make up for it. Hiroya truly is the perfect counter to Kenshin's abilities. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 01:10, April 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, and you should probably go and archive your talk page. Its gotten ridiculously big. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 01:11, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Gifts
Well, just to me stats are just the foundation of grading one's that doeesn't mean that some with 500 cannot defeat some with 560, but it depends on the fighters. As for Kiyoshi well maybe when I finish his bankai this weekend believe me its going to be wordy.

As for spells I have two possible spells or abilities.

And now you will have to find the transitions Just before you came here I was going to create a character of Hiroya's level of Kido might even higher. I even had a nickname for him the Kido. Just you made him first and made him look more, like someone that can be found in Bleach. Also I don't want the Gravity Force and Sei to think that all I make is Aizen-class characters. Besides, I talk about Death,Life, Destruction and Creation, but out of the four Creation is my favorite aspect.
 * 1) Land of Sacred Peace: This spell is an immense healing spell. That by pointing the caster in the center can send their reiatsu to multiple targets and can heal them kind of like an area wide range of standard Kido. Like the method Tsunade using the Healing Chakra Transmission from Naruto, but it only require the one caster and to be in the center of the spell or to be in a focus medition state and sending your spirit energy to targets with you being the center point. Incanation as it isn't a standard heal Kido: Knight of long swords. Eternal sleep of evil. Protected beauty of the Emporer's empire. Move and restore. Forgive your enemies of their foolish arrogance. If you won't use this spell than I am, I just thought it fits Hiroya themes.
 * 2) Wave of Purification: This spell basically remove victims from illusion or the illusions brought by zanpakutos but still it cannot undo the illusion spells like of Aizen's Zanpakuto. But like Shinji's zanpakuto Aizen's former captain before he was it can undo his illusion zanpakuto. Incanantion: False ideals of a trickster. Screaming puppet of clay. Remove and dispell. Give back and be clean. Another Spell he could you.

Finally, my main reason is every moment I think up over 1,000,000,000,000,000 types of anything not just Kido, Bleach, or even anime related. Hell in one week on my lab top when I had one I wrote a complete story over 200 pages. Inshort, I need to share my creations with others and you are one that can gain right now from it. But can I make a small statement. While, I like that Hiroya is one of the greatest Shinigami to not have any desire to harm there should be like a trigger or something that someone can do that can completely turn him from gentle to battle-hungry and not just harming his students. Your character you can decide what to with any of the spells or ideas I give you.: The Twilight of Your Despair 03:21, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

I am not angry but I don't know or care what got YOU angry as what you said about the unique type has nothing to do with me addition it was random for you even bring it up with I never did. However I'll will say just cause the unique-types seem more powerful that is why you need Sei permisson and to have it worded to a decent level.You just saying that it is a subtle way of godmodding is calling Sei and Ten godmodding which isn't a wise choice. But do whatever you want. And to understand this message this is what you wrote word for word.

'''Oh and, about those "Unique-Type Zanpakuto" - I refuse to accept those as more powerful than any other Zanpakuto, as in my opinion that is a loud of crap and a subtle form of godmodding; an individuals Zanpakuto's power depends primarily on the Shinigami in question, and even more important, how well the two communicate in question. The older and more experienced the Shinigami, the more powerful the Zanpakuto in question is.''' This is the message you wrote which again was random for me and at least Sei so have got not me.: The Twilight of Your Despair 18:46, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Than you should have told me why you were stating it. The unique types like Madara Kawahiru's deals with the force Reason which is seperate from spiritual power. Seirietou Kawahiru zanpakuto is one that its can change based on how Seirietou's soul changes. Like the theme changing from element, to worlds, to what is it now and this order might be wrong.

In short just cause you have a problem with something doesn't me you can go express you opinions to the wrong person and making seem like a seperate random issue. As I said I wasn't angry if I was I woun't even talk to you.

Hell my Kosumosukihaku's zanpakutos lack a inner spirit so they aren't connect to their swords. Anyone can use them and release their shikai however not bankai. Their shikai releases its powers and just Bankai turns their zanpakuto into spirit energy and it enters their boby as such only the one you made it isn't harmed as it would be harmful to others as it would be foreign spirit energy in a none familiar body so thei body cannot know what to do with it. Also their bankais often changes their looks while gaining far stronger powers. Also all Kosumosukihaku zanpakuto are either Melee, Kido and Kido-sub types. I have yet to make a unique type and I doubt I will.: The Twilight of Your Despair 19:31, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Ok moving on. But I am taking a break from Haru for now and focused on completing Kiyoshi's zanpakuto. Also, if we ever do rp with him his zanpakuto isn't a element type his zanpakuto uses its spirit energy and it follows a darkness theme for its spirit energy looks like darkness as it is jet black.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:33, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Unique Zanpakutō
I'm gonna try to keep this short, since I don't feel like submitting an essay explanation on this matter. Basically, Unique Zanpakutō contain properties that distinguish them from general melee/kidō Zanpakutō. Example being Kamui's Shinbyeong, which uses the power of Reason, something considering completely unusual for a Zanpakutō, as they normally use reiryoku and reiatsu. Seireitou's Hanullim is "unique", in the sense that it continues to evolve when fighting stronger opponents, instead of Zanpakutō that grow stronger as their connection with their owner deepens. Of course, Hanullim and Shinbyeong are like regular Zanpakutō, the fact that they contain properties that other Zanpakutō generally do not, is what makes them a "Unique Zanpakutō". I've received requests for people to make Unique Zanpakutō that were basically Kidō-like abilities, because some users don't seem to know where the line exists between differential abilities and differential properties. But, that being said, being different doesn't mean they are stronger than normal Zanpakutō. I honestly don't see where you made that assumption, because I doubt I've ever claimed that. Different doesn't always mean better, but it doesn't mean worse either. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 19:44, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ahh, I see. Well, let's see... "Some Zanpakutō possess a unique ability that no other Zanpakutō can obtain, making it one-of-a-kind. These are considered extremely powerful, and even more rare than they are dangerous."
 * Well, the first two bold sections, I explained already. Different doesn't always mean better.
 * "Considered extremely powerful", in terms of plot, one who's never faced a Zanpakutō with different properties would consider it an extremely powerful weapon, especially if they weren't prepared for it.
 * "More rare than they are dangerous" goes back to what I said before, about being different doesn't always mean stronger, but then again, dangerous doesn't mean stronger either necessarily.
 * So, I guess I do see where you assumed that I meant unique ones are stronger. --Seireitou-shishō [[File:Seireitou's signature picture.jpg]] (My True Identity 19:59, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Hey
sorry man but I was the first to use that Pic u have on Hisoka Kizashi so u mind taking it off? Grizzaka 00:41, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

No point starting a new message.

I have a new spell I need help with and if you like it. Like Twilight while I cannot decide on a what kind of spell it will be if it is a Hado it will be 95 and if it is bakudo on of the none filled 90's. Just I have the incanation: Ancient mark of forever! Blessed priestess of highest purity! Immortal deity of protection! Cracked sky of arrogance! Thrust! Strike! King of the eternal land! Awaken the fallen! Wisdom of the old ones! Conquer and transend against the powerless and the defenceless.

Well what you think of at least the incanation.: The Twilight of Your Despair 03:12, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Miyata
I actually like the out-dated approach to his character as a whole, though I've never seen anyone do it on purpose. With me, the info becomes outdated on my main characters when I decided to take the time skip between part I and II of my individual stories. Very nice approach, 'cause you'll be fit to surprise someone with his real powers when he does reappear. But I'd be careful, because it raises the question of portraying what is on his article, but I'm sure you'll manage. Just to let you know, though. The pictures of Hei that you've used have been largely used by Ten throughout his stories, as his main character Raian Getsueikirite still has some of them posted in his former abilities and past RP's. Just letting you know that, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 08:37, March 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * I thought that when I read through his article, but the sheer knowledge he'd have would allow him to easily instruct without actually raising a hand, considering his advanced skills. While the entire community of Horiwari Village are spiritually aware, some are humans who lead normal human lives within its walls; as they maintain the local trade flow and businesses. While maths and biology among others are important, the Yuengiri Academy isn't a school. Its a training ground for the Yuengiri styles, Zanjutsu, Hōhō, Kidō and Hakuda; so there wouldn't be any math or science classes taking place. I'll make a school though in the Upper Heights section of Horiwari that serves as an all-purpose place for learning, and Hiroya can alternate between the two, if you like. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 16:32, March 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * His Shikai's a good one! I particularly like how he keeps them in six smaller orbs and then can drop - literally - a lake on someone lol. That's got comical potential as well, so thumbs up! You've got enough little bits (the shape manipulation and expansion and compression to name them) that make it quite unpredictable. One second you could be facing an ord and the have a spear flying at you from nowhere. Though I don't know about him being fit to deal with the majority of the good guys of the GF. While he'd beat down some, characters like Van who can crystallize anything with a mass, or Akira Cagali who can redirect it through vector control could deal with it quite effectively lol. Then there's Kenji, who can manipulate water himself. And no, Kenji isn't immune to the effects of lightning himself, just whatever lightning he creates via spiritual energy, but his lightning aura would provide in itself an effective defense against other lightning and electrical charges. Regardless, nice one, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 19:02, March 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Haha. I've known a lot of guys who happen to be gay, and have at least three friends who are, and each of them happen to listen to pretty much the same music as me. Which, to say the least, is usually ear-wrecking in seer noise lol. I've got a lot of songs by Skillet that I like, with no real favorites to say the least. Live free or let me die's among them, with Hero, Never Surrender and Awake and Alive being a few of the others. I also like Breaking Benjamin, Meatloaf, Three Days Grace, Red and All American Rejects, again among others. I can listen to pretty much anything if I think it happens to have a good beat. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 11:48, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

I'm guilty lol. Probably the page I've contributed the most to is the Kidō page lol. Anyways, I like the changes you've made to them on his article. Mizukeimusho and Ekitai Kinko are all pretty effective and interesting to boot with the freezing additive. He'd def. hold his own, now that I see the new abilities of the Shikai too lol. Anyway, I've got an idea for you. Since his skill with water is nothing short of immense, then why not have him utilize mist as a consequence of joining fire Kidō with the water to make the necessary conditions? It wouldn't be hard for him then to make some reflections of himself in the mist to mess with his foes visual input. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 16:20, April 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't mind. Completely the opposite, in fact. I'm just happy people think my characters are good enough to actually use as a base for their own, so if anything, its a compliment lol. Glad I helped out, though. What are friends for, if not helping one another out with ideas and the like? Anyhow, I think everyone's used Kamui as inspiration at some point or another down the line, myself included lol. It was actually Sei and Ten's characters who encouraged me to join the community in the first place. You wouldn't have been around when he was still using this zanpakutō, but the one Raian used called Kyōjin was simply amazing imo. I was floating around a good while before that, reading their work, when I finally decided to go for it :) Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 17:58, April 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yay! Deadly and yet it line with his Shikai skills... beautiful. Simply awesome, dude. Now you know the problems I've been having with some of my characters >_< 9/10 I enjoy working with the Shikai over the actual Bankai and expanding and manipulating the individual skills it offers. All excitement goes out of a character when you've been having a fun and serious battle only to go and pull a Bankai from your sleeve when things get tough. Its like two Super Saiyans in DBZ going at it only for one of them to pull out SSJ2 near the end. You've done the same with Hiroya, I've noticed. His Kidō skills have been refined to the point they become his primary skill. Much like Kenji's lightning skills and his usage of Shikai. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 18:20, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Hello!
Firstly, I think I should start with a Hello as we haven't talked before, what with me having been AWOL for the past few months. So the thing is, I've asked Kenji if I could join the Gravity Force and he's been kind enough to give his consent. So I was wondering if you would mind going through my stuff (Lucio Valcárcel, Kenshin Suzuki, Ryū Kagami and Bonds are unfortunately the only ones with enough material in them) and maybe give me a vote if you like the articles. Also I was wondering if you would be up for a RP sometime? Maybe with Hiroya Ginkarei as I really liked that character and would love to see Kenshin (my main character) interact with him. Cheers! -- Jet'ika (Talk  | Contribs ) 09:52, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks man! Much appreciated. I actually meant to change that to Vast after Void pointed it out to me but it just slipped my mind. As far as the RP goes I don't think Kenshin is strong enough right now to take on someone that strong. I guess that's an interaction for later on in his development. What about with Tarō Suzuki? He's not my creation but mine to use now and I want to get some RPs under him before revealing his bankai. -- Jet'ika (Talk  | Contribs ) 10:30, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * That sounds like it could be fun. I'll ask Void. Also, I was wondering if you could give me your views about something. With Taro, when I took him over, I returned his stats to what they were originally made as but downsized them a little. He's smart, a good swordsman and fast. But what's bugging me is that being as smart as he is and a former president of the SRDI, he ought to be really good at Kidō as well. It seems logical, but if I make him a Kidō master them I fear that he might be called out for being too powerful. So what I wanted to ask was if I did make him a Kidō master, with his stats as they currently are, would he be considered a little too powerful? -- Jet'ika (Talk  | Contribs ) 10:43, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

I think I will bump him up to Master. And I'm just reading through the RP now. -- Jet'ika (Talk  | Contribs ) 11:24, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * So I joined the RP. A little rusty with RPing in the bleach universe so bear with me a little if I screw up a bit. Also, did you notice the review request for Kenshin Suzuki that I posted on your page? -- Jet'ika (Talk  | Contribs ) 07:05, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review man! Thanks for the compliments and criticism alike. I will tackle the issues relating to his appearance and Kido mastery and also try to lengthen the intro if I can. Regarding the lightning, I actually used Sasuke's pics due to my desire to make him a lightning user instead of it being the other way around :P. I intended to make him a lightining user from the onset with Ryū Kagami, who for all purposes adopted him and his sister after his parents' death, having a lightening Zanpakutō and being his mentor. So Kenshin picked up loads of lightening based stuff from Ryū. But I understand your point and will try to somehow make it fit into the character a little better. Also regarding the RP I think I'll just let Void make a post before I make mine so that I can attempt an attack if possible. Cheers and thanks once again! -- Jet'ika (Talk  | Contribs ) 20:28, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, just saw your post in the thread. Wanted to let you know that if the portal had closed on his leg it wouldn't have cut off his leg. Just locked it in place, kind of like a mouse trap. I guess I ought to add that on his page. Anyways, the RP's flowing out really well, looking forward to see how it ultimately ends. Cheers! -- Jet'ika (<font color="SteelBlue">Talk  | <font color="SteelBlue">Contribs ) 12:14, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

O.o
Well if its inconvienient then I can just make my own as this was already in the making between me and Kenji long ago. But I was going to use Van's parents Inai and Rei'juro. I already constructed them to be a team and the way we were going to do it was that the organization was made up of everyone's main antagonists with the smaller antagonists working as subordinates beneath them. That way it actually makes sense in the long run instead having zero continuity with each other. RozeluxeMeitzen 13:04, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Nah....idk what I'm talking about. But if they both can't be in then I'll just use someone else. Cause those two working together is the basis of my entire storyline. They antagonize their grandchildren and manipulate events from the shadows well rei'juro does it upfront but no one knows inai is still alive. (Yet again something I've been discussing with kenji for awhile) although I'm still confused on why there is only 13 members? And who would be the leader? And I know that it wassaid there wouldn't be a leader, but how would anything get done if there were 13 or even 5 people working together just to get their own agenas completed? Because the way I see it is that not all of or charcaters are going to get along and even take the time to listen to each other. Or we would all be making new characters so that its more cohesive but then it wouldn't seem realistic. I'm sorry if this doesnt make much sense, I'm kind sick so I'm not thinking completely lol. RozeluxeMeitzen 13:50, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Oh and thanks! It truly was fun lol. RozeluxeMeitzen 13:51, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Ok first....why are you watching what I say to someone else when it wasn't directed toward you? That is an extremely rude thing to do. If I wanted to say it to you then I would have. If you're going to be offended then at least make sure you arent at fault first, and that you read it read it correctly as I even said that I'm not thinking correctly as I'm under the weather so I may not be putting ideas correctly together. And just because there are 13 members that doesn't mean that all 13 will participate in this organization. Because some people get on more than others and some rarely get on at all. I'm not saying that because I want to have both mine in there, thats just the way it is. And please don't attempt to patronize me by saying you can stretch it to 14 if the characters are important to me.. I am not a child so please don't treat me as such. If I took the way you said it the wrong way then I apologize. RozeluxeMeitzen 14:23, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

its fine. I wasn't trying to attack you. I always talk to ken before going to anyone else. We usually help each other clear things up before situations such as this one occur. I'm under theweathe..really bdly so I can't really think clearly. Heck I just went out with a backpack full of books even though theres no school today hahaha. And I didn't think we got off on the wrong foot at all. I thought we were fine but eh..its not important. lets jst squash it...I mean its all for fun. RozeluxeMeitzen 15:23, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Well I have Asutoraru. I was thinking he would be used for your organization as well as giving the group a link to the human world. RozeluxeMeitzen 15:35, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

/* /* Status reply */ */
Well, thank you. As for the tournament if you want Hiroya to fight against Kenji. You have to promise that if you win Zettaiteki you won't just seal it away as I need it for something later. Also, if you do take part Hiroya cannot just avoid every attack and thinks that he can leave Valhalla as only the Kings and the Varukirii can move in and out of Vahalla that also means the Varukirii would have to bring him there for no Seikonmon can open to Valhalla. (Sidenote, also you can have Hiroya go full out for the Holy Grounds of Valhalla revive anyone slain there.): The Twilight of Your Despair 21:04, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Well, even if Hiroya tried to seal it away I doubt he could. It along with the divine ark were created by Kaosu Souzou before time began and since the laws of reality were not estabilshed yet when he made it "indestructible" it became so. Also, even if Hiroya wins and becomes the swords greatest master if he trys to seal away the sword can break out of any seal or made demission with enough time. But you have to ask Kenji if you can take part cause if the other three Sei, Kou and Wandering Shinobi don't post than he wins and has the right to decide if he should fight more poeple.

Also, since Hiroya is one of the great Kido master than could he train Spirit in the use of it some. Also Hiroya might be one to use "Philosophy" the strongest echelon of supernatural energy that can be manifested and it isn't spiritual power but something far greter.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:02, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Well, Spirit is an empty Soul and minus Sozoshin he can become almost any spiritual species as many times as he wants. He will just start out as a Shinigami and will become a Kosumosukihaku by his fourth species. And despite the Kosumsoukihaku being a species that one has to be born off Spirit can become one if one give his/her immortality to him. Also, do you think "Philosophy" is something that he could use and their is a pic on Kaosu Souzou can you put in the template cuase the methods I was taught weren't working. Its the pic of just his face not the general appearance pic.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:44, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks and I had a great idea about the Opimates and the 4 Ruling Kings. What if every some many years there is a tournament held in a place that opimates can go and the Kings can send particates there and the winner can have one wish and due to the powers of the opimates and the Kings they can grant just about anything. Just most of the opimates recuit demons that if they win can wish for the gates of hell to be open and if one of the Kings recuits win they they at least don't open them. What you think but Im going work out it take 5 days a week to keep a six pack of abb and to be lean but its a good thing I like it so much. In high school I was well not brag most girls and gay guys were in love with me and at times it got weird and that also if you know whats it like having over 200 people think their inlove with you.: The Twilight of Your Despair 23:11, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I live in Louisiana and most gay people or at least the one's in High School seem to like the athletic type like me. Just if you saw me you would think why does he like anime/mang?. Well, my cousin does and we spend saturdays watching english dubbed of anime and such. Just I was on the swimer's team and I am haft italian and haft french and an athletic pretty boy you could say like Grimmjow or Shuhei Hisagi. So yeah I was popular my best friend is a gay guy and since he was on the swimmer's team too people think we date... well no just we are best friends despite being catholic/spiritual my beilefs are God is too pure to be what people say like how he can save or damn anyone. Being gay isn't a sin in my belief and my family feels the same. I have a 32 year old uncle who is gay and my family don't hate him. So this is why I am comfortable around gay/bi people.

Enough about realife, now as the Opimates yes I know their are hell itself what I was thinking what about a limbo or a place like Puragtory that the Opimate's avatar's can be at full power but they cannot leave there. The Kings are beings so they can go there. Plus Kiyoshi won't date anyone for he is bi just I call him gay for he like guy like 90 more. He woundn't cause he lost the love of his life in a civial war and I will make his new lover.

Also, would you like to have a none battle rp like your opimate Arthfael has a ball and invites Kiyoshi. For while they maybe hell itself they still need the Kings to rule just like how Kings need the Opimates to rule Hell.: The Twilight of Your Despair 01:55, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Tourney
I don't see why you'd need my permission to join the tourney, saying as how the thing does belong to Twilight. Meh, no matter, though. I'd like to have a pop at Hiroya, and I think I'll take this time to highlight the recent additives I made to Kenji's personality following the results of his last match. He did just help kill one of his oldest friends, whose body was then possessed by his Inner Hollow, so naturally he'll be quite annoyed and pissed off about it and in need of a way to vent some steam.

As for the battle itself, Kenji won't be at full strength as he turned down the healing waters before and only received some physical healing at the end of the last match with very little of the spiritual being restored. As a result, he won't be at full power, but I think it'll be a good challenge. Who's supposed to start this thing up, then? Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 08:39, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * And Kenji isn't above using his own weakened state to hide the true threat, either lol. While he did use a lot of skills against Margin, there's still a number of things he didn't reveal; such as his Yuengiri state and his final fused state with Kyo. This fight is gonna be interesting, and Saturday works for me, to. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 09:27, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Been a slight change of plans, dude. Your match will be against Wandering Shinobi who re-posted not long ago saying he'd do his match. Your rounds with him, so you'll only face me if you get through to the final. Ask Twilight about the details. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 13:44, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Well ok first off a Varukirii will get him and Kiyoshi cannot go and won't meet him in person the reasons will be stated in the rp.: The Twilight of Your Despair 17:21, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Valhalla Tournament, Round One: The Battle of Wills that rp and just go with the flow for Varukirri can travel to Vahalla at such speed that it will like one second he is at school than the next he is in a Forest. And the laws of the rp will be in the post after you and Wandering Shinobi's character greet and introduce each other.: The Twilight of Your Despair 17:35, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Umm, I forgot so its my fault in Valhalla or at least outside of the Great Hall Temple on the grounds their is completely no Reishi in the air. I will explain it in my post so can you reedit it please?: The Twilight of Your Despair 18:03, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Well I put the laws and rules of the tournament in the rp so please read everything.: The Twilight of Your Despair 02:03, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

I hope you have a good time and a word from time to time I may do a small naration this isn't just an rp it is kind of like a story more that just an rp battle. Also, despite it being a spirit world there is no Reishi in the air for in Norse Pagan-lore Valhalla was where only the strongest of warrior could be allowed in and so despite the world of the living having very little in concentration Valhalla has no Reishi to add no boast like how in the other Spirit world they are a small boast to a Spirit's strength. This is to keep that only one's strength is used. : The Twilight of Your Despair 13:46, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Favour
As the title says, I was wondering if you'd do a quick review of Shinrei Kurosaki's powers and abilities? I'll be the first to admit that he's got more spiritual energy than he knows what to do with, so I'm wondering if I managed to strike a form of balance with that and add in enough limitations that'll cause his defeat more than actual victory? It'd be greatly appreciated, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 16:53, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * And that's the very reason I asked you, dude. You've got a hellish good knack of picking up on whatever people infer in the article without it actually being written, like with the Kido, so thanks for the review! With you and Jet thinking his large spiritual energy's been balanced by his low stamina, I can start improving his control and other abilities slowly throughout part I and II. Again, thanks a lot, dude. It was greatly appreciated :) Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 09:10, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Task Force
I made myself a new Task Force to act as a sub-division for The Ryu Order. There's three spots to fill, and I was wondering if you'd like one of the places? Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 17:27, April 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't mind, pal. You'll be the one using him/her, so the decision lies entirely with you. I'll be making similar groups within the Order as well, who focus on key areas, as I'm trying to make The Order as realistic as possible in terms of a formal organization. They'll be scouts, spies a police force for Horiwari Village (got the schools added to, btw) and others, to help mix things up a bit. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 17:46, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

R: Jūsanseiza
That'll do, dude. Nice work! It may take a while for me to actually post the character, 'cause I'm still writing up some ideas for his powers, personality etc. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 15:14, April 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh! I like it. Well, I got Suitai Shiba posted, but the information's lacking right now, sadly. That'll change soon enough, believe me. Anywho, I'll scoop up Gemini then, because Suitai's zanpakutō revolves around daytime and night, in essence two twins which Gemini stands for. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 20:11, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

I think I'm gonna rename it plain old Horiwari lol. Its way too big to be considered as a village anymore. But thanks for the comments, dude. I'm trying to make the place as realistic as I can, so there will be some more noble houses added, an explanation of the trade goods and other minor details as well. Its the main center of my characters. A mini-Soul Society, if you will :) Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 09:04, April 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Are you a mind reader, by any chance? I was planning on having Meian be the one to eventually face him down, but he'll have a few key points to play before that lol. I try to have my villains with some kind of connection to the main cast, so there's always that emotional force driving them. For example, Averian was directly responsible for the death of Sousetsu Shiba, while Suitai's a close relative to Kenji. Then there's my main antagonist (unrevealed, as of right now), who'll have the biggest connection of 'em all :) But I'm liking that idea, dude. Anyhow, I'll try to work Suitai's abilities around the characters who've been posted so far to keep in line with the whole teamwork approach.


 * P.S. I got a pic that we might be able to use for the organization. Its the thirteenth zodiac and quite cool If I might add. It could be used as a pic for the template I added earlier, or as a symbol of sorts for them. I'll leave it up to you, though. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 17:54, April 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I was on google images and found myself wondering "we need a pic", so I picked the coolest looking one I could see from the first couple of pages. But Raze and I are good at making things that fit our needs lol. Kōhai Tochi's a safe haven for the criminal world as you said, and the factions we added give it a nice gang war theme. It can only be reached by going deep into the Dangai, or a trip across the spiritual seas between it and Soul Society to boot, so it wouldn't be easily got to. Don't ask where the idea of spiritual seas came from though, but they need something joining the spiritual realms, so why not a pool of water?


 * And don't worry. Suitai wouldn't get done in that easily, nor would he be killed off so quickly. First and foremost, Meian's allegiance is to the Order, and Kenji has already revealed he knows about Raze and my little Villain Collective, so he'll be busy dealing with that, Averian's army and the Imawashii; so he'll need every hand he can get, Meian's most of all. Out of my characters right now, Meian's the only one who could fight Averian seriously. Rosuto maybe, because Averian fears his zanpakutō, but then that wouldn't be for long. Naibu could deal with his strength, but then there's the other problems like movement speed and all. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 18:24, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Community-decided is def. the best way to go about that. And Suitai's zanpakutō is gonna be more versatile, but in what way is what I'm waiting for. I've got a few directions planned, but I'll have to wait and see. The other members with the exception of Miyata don't have enough in their powers and such for me to know what to aim for at the minute in order to help out whoever he does get partnered up with. Five years, eh? Pretty long time, and your only finding this site now? I'm surprised at that, to be honest lol. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 19:08, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

RE:Jūsanseiza
I was actually thinking of making a character. Sōsuke could fit in here with some tweaking but I'm having doubts about the abilities I had planned out for him. Think they might be a little too strong. I had planned to give 7 abilities to him based on the seven colors of the rainbow. Blue is the long range attack ability as shown on his page, yellow would be a melee ability and red a tracking ability wherein if he enriches his blood with spiritual energy and puts that blood on someone then he can track that person at any later time by again activating the ability. Violet would be his defensive one based kind of on the susanoo but much more draining, green would be a healing ability where he would sacrifice half his available spiritual energy to heal himself (if there are multiple wounds then it would drain him even more), indigo and orange would be revealed with his bankai as I haven't really figured out anything good for them. I have a strong feeling people might consider this to be overpowered and was wondering if you could give me your opinion on them? Cheers!-- Jet'ika (<font color="SteelBlue">Talk  | <font color="SteelBlue">Contribs ) 17:16, April 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Very nice idea man. That ought to put some limitations on his abilities and add an interesting twist to his powers. I'll have him join the Jūsanseiza then. Will just have to make a few changes to make him more of a criminal and put up his abilities. -- Jet'ika (<font color="SteelBlue">Talk  | <font color="SteelBlue">Contribs ) 21:27, April 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey mate. I was wondering, would it be possible to have Sosuke as one of the triumvirate members for Jūsanseiza? I know majority vote is required but I wanted to run by the idea I have for him with you before asking everyone. As you know his Zanpakutō can be very powerful and I wanted to make him as the strongest shinigami ever to have been born within the Suzuki clan so that would provide some in story justification for him having that role. I was thinking that he would use the facade of being a drunk to keep his true powers hidden and also have him develop a special gigai that would make his gigai appearance be different form his real one and allow him to remain hidden from soul society. A rough idea but something that can be developed further. What do you think? -- Jet'ika (<font color="SteelBlue">Talk  | <font color="SteelBlue">Contribs ) 16:12, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

No problem, understandable. Though I did have a question about the structure of the organization though. Are the members of the triumvirate counted amongst the 13 or are there 13+3? I had initially thought it was only 13 total but from what I read now it seemed like 13+3. -- Jet'ika (<font color="SteelBlue">Talk  | <font color="SteelBlue">Contribs ) 16:41, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, well that ruins the idea that had popped into my head. I thought that if it was 13+3 then maybe Sosuke could actually be one of the three but plays the role of one of the normal members and has a dummy play the role of the triumvirate member. Controls him and stays hidden in the shadows. Well, moot point now :). -- Jet'ika (<font color="SteelBlue">Talk  | <font color="SteelBlue">Contribs ) 17:01, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Well, if you want you can make it to where Haru was a former member of this Jusanseiza unless you want him in there. Regardless of anything his rank in the Royal Guard was Supreme Commander kind of like Royal Guard version the Head Captain of the Gotei 13.: The Twilight of Your Despair 18:40, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

The reason he defect from the Royal Guard is that he saw the Screams of Silence a recorded of the war that the first Four Kings had for whom would be the great King before they agreed to keep equal ruling with each other. That record shattered his mind into 11 more perosnalities which means he has 12 all to together. Also what horrors of that record is beyond words. So he wants to revive the High King of End so that he can destroy him for the High King is all the evil and corrupt Reishi of that 10,000 yeay war trapped inside and when it possess someone they become the king. Just Haru is kind of a mix between Itachi from Naruto and Gin from Bleach. However, I am deciding if he even will be a part of this group active or former.: The Twilight of Your Despair 19:07, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Hello, I was thing Haru shouldn't be apart of these criminal group for he made his own a long time ago just I haven't made the other members yet. His orgization is called the Yakefaibu or Five Despair. I was thiningk your group was trying to recuit Haru for he was a former Supreme Commander, but failed and now since he might know some of their true goals, and identies they want him dead.: The Twilight of Your Despair 13:29, April 5, 2011 (UTC)\

If you want to put him as the original founder its fine. Just Haru has twelve personalities all together which are equally intelligent. Just Haru once was a great and respected man and not evil but he saw the record of the First War and he lost it. Shinigami, Angels, even the immortals being killed, slaughtered, the destruction. And he saw it and the war last 10,000 years and he said hours of its destruction. And if you compare Haru to a naruto character he is more Madara Uchida than Orchimaru.75.66.254.53 16:15, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, also maybe the top three member should be of the First Ring of the Royal Guard and if you want you can even make the current leader stronger than Haru. Also the reason Haru has never used his bankai as it releases all the Souls inside of his zanpakuto at once for a small time and after they vanish leaving his sword empty. So in a way he has an army if only for 2 minutes.: The Twilight of Your Despair 19:16, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Rules
Ah. Well in the same regards...Misaki was given no hint of being spiritually aware and was just a common human. Therefore shinigami would be able to fall for a human. Another example would be Yuzu who cannot see anything but yet still interact with Ichigo. As for wrong signals...well none were giving off because it was taken off just as fast as it was put up with a logical reason. If it was considered rude to take down...then would it not have been just as rude to put it up without asking the community? RozeluxeMeitzen 08:31, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

No...I have just completely disproven it. You said if the shinigami fell in love with a human they will lose their memory and powers. Yet Isshin keeps his. Your law made no exceptions for anything at all. As for Isshin being a Rogue Shinigami, that is never established. It is just told he lost most of his powers willingly de to him ceasing to be a shinigami. But on a different note....is it REALLY that important of an issue? You added it without asking the rest of the GF, it caused conflictions with many of our characters, so I took it down. Its not like its really needed =P. RozeluxeMeitzen 08:48, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Its fine. I got that now. Its just too many things would have to be rewritten for that one rule lol. And next time just post something up on the talk page before adding it...that way it gets put through the dissection process and everything is made clear and everyone gets on board =D Ad Im not mad...if it came across like I was..I apologize. I have a tendency of doing that when I stay up to 5 in the morning hahaha RozeluxeMeitzen 09:11, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Well, just a part of him is based on Shinbo from Yu Yu. Just the chapter black tape made him more insane what got him was the Ritual of Vice done by the black black club whixh was killing demons for fun. But the record is a crystal that recorded all of it and Haru could have seen 10,000 of such destruction that he need the power of King to keep the other Four Kings in line if one overstep their ruling. Kind of likr how Madara wants to revive and seal the Ten-tail best inside of himself.

but Haru is truly smart but he never shows it unless he wants to and that is rare. Beside its not like you can do things in rps like make surprises that the other person cannot see. Just yes he is smarter than Aizen but not like worlds smart he just calls him an idiot for all the trouble he caused that he should have won and didn't. Haru knew of War and that battle is need, but what he saw he saw the first Four Kings at war and each has destructive powers ona planetarty scale and they were at war for 1000s of years. Plus all the exiperment that were done to each species to find out their secrets. Like the Shinigami wanted the Kosmosukihaku and the Raifutenshi eterna life secrets and how the Raifutenshi wanted to know why Kosumosukihaku pre-date. Stuff like that. Just each of Haru's personalities takes over according.: The Twilight of Your Despair 17:18, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

I made a small post in the rp just a narration. Also I was thinking maybe Haru being the Founder sin't so badf. Just certain members maybe disliked his views and Haru left before they turned on him. But after he left they change so of the orgization like how before when he made it the Zodiacs weren't used and only say 11 members were there. Just after he left they added two more positions and changed the look. Also it give them reason for wanting him dead. This is up to you or whomever you want. Just you said he could be a member or the founders. But it would make since to make the a Former Supreme Commander the founder. But you could always make your own.: The Twilight of Your Despair 18:32, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

I'm Back
Hey, thanks for understanding my situation. The weekend was good for me, gave me some time to think. I'll be posting my response in our RP in a bit once I have it all written out, and try and finish the last parts of Hiroya's review, notably his zanpakutou. I've actually got some ideas for the Jusanzai, or rather how the group members can interact with one another and long/short term goals, they can shoot for in the future. Once again, thanks for understanding man. Ill talk to you later. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 20:46, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Well to bring...focus to the Jusanzai, we'll need to plan short term goals. The steps necessary to accomplish the long-term ones. Dorothy's plans, or rather each "arc" with her is a short term goal to accomplish a larger picture. I think a similar strategy would work for the Jusanzai. Considering how large we are, it can also be assumed that several of us have..small armies of our own at our disposal. Creating a distraction, while we build up our forces - to keep Soul Society occupied with a perceived threat is good strategy. Even going as far as to go into Rukongai, and create sleeper agents would also further our cause. Especially the nobility and if possible the Chamber 46. We could unravel Soul Society from the inside, while other members work out in the open by manipulating forces against Soul Society, while we remain hidden and complete our plan. Any thoughts? This is just a...general overview of how to accomplish our goals, than any actual arcs at the moment. Which reminds me, we need to continue RPs with some our Diabolus. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 01:43, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah the Shinsengumi at least would be used to aid the Jusanseiza in their efforts, especially if they want certain elements removed as you mentioned. Tsuchimikado will be a Kido master himself, with notable spells and abilities in the Onmyouji arts, such as the Shikigami. Which of themselves will be useful. And yes I'd be happy to have Tsuchimikado ally with Miyata. Though I need a bit of help crafting his Zanpakutou, I'm not exactly sure where to start. His a kido master with a specialization the Five Elements Theory. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 20:20, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, yesterday was odd, for some reason I couldnt make any posts on any wiki. The editing page would load but the text editor wouldnt. I just got the same gray background. Damn it was strange. Anyways I'm going to make my posts. Just wanted to let you know that I was experiencing....technical difficulties. --- 69.136.184.159 17:07, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I've got a pretty concrete idea for Tsuchimikado's Zanpakutou, and as opposed to reflecting his personality it reflects his past profession and ability - namely the Onmyouji arts. I'll be posting an update to his character soon, but if you can I'd like any help you can offer. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 01:37, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Ideas
I have a new idea Demonic Taint (魔性汚濁, Mashou Odaku; lit. Devilish Corruption") I was thinking I keep in rps between Angels and Deities that they can purify against demonic spirits well what if what makes their spiritual power demonic is the Devilish corruption. Lets say that when a Demon is created in Hell their spirit energy develops a kind of demonic taint that while it can corrupt humans and some souls it cannot interact with Angelic or Divine beings or if it comes into direct contact it is purified and how about the current leader be one of your demons that killed a Royal Guard member and took over his body.: The Twilight of Your Despair 19:56, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, and this only because you made Haru the founder. Should one of the top three being a like the last of the original member yall can make him/she and that that person has second only to Haru during his time but now is the third and not the second. Also about its history since Haru founded it maybe yall should state that and if yall do when can have an rp to where he fights several lower members to escape.76.165.122.2 13:51, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Our Roleplay
Aiya...sorry. My concentration is very off. I forget that this is for entertainment and such. I'll keep in mind that Ryo is fast, but not that fast so to speak. Thank you for reminding me.Balance is EverythingUser Talk:WanderingShinobi 21:36, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Oh no worries. I caught your tone as simple informative nature :)

I dont intend to use Resurreccion, so no worries there. Balance is EverythingUser Talk:WanderingShinobi 21:57, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Heya. I just wanted to make a clarification for you. Just something you should know, that Ryo wouldn't exactly voice. His Zanpakuto's power doesnt dissolve Zanpakuto and related physical effects, (i.e your feathers). It can stop them, but not dissolve themBalance is EverythingUser Talk:WanderingShinobi 18:47, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

This sounds good, however, do not forget about Ryo's Bankai. I suggest looking it over if you have not already.Balance is EverythingUser Talk:WanderingShinobi 19:48, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Also, yo ushould know that the poison doesnt kill in the matter of minutes. The effect is like Barrigans Resipra. It decays what it hits.Balance is EverythingUser Talk:WanderingShinobi 19:49, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

I believe that is a good plan. I think we fight until its obvious a winner has to be decided. And an ace huh? We'll put that to the test then.Balance is EverythingUser Talk:WanderingShinobi 19:59, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Im confused about your post. When you say it cures the illness Ryo put on you earler, are you referring to the mist his Shikai produced? Because the mist doesnt contract ilness, its a substance that dissolves, like acid.Balance is EverythingUser Talk:WanderingShinobi 23:03, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Howdy
Okay, I've come up with an idea for the GF collective arcs. Do me a favor and check out the Talk:Bleach (Gravity Force) page and leave a few comments if possible. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 17:45, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Hey I need a review of an illusion ability. I call the Zanpakuto now this just the English transtion. Spiritual Step of the Themeless World. Its ability is to control one of the six sensed complete however which the victim experiences in this illusion is not under the user or the victim control. It controls one of a victim's six senses and the one they value the most. Sight, Touch, Smell, Talking, Hearing or the Six Sense or Spiriual Sensing. Example, lets say Haru's most value sense is feel, than he can feel like his skins on fire or frozen depending on out that sense is meldled with yet he cannot see any fire or ice on him. Or if Haru's sense saw earing that he might hear sounds than can drive someone insane or peaceful. The affect is sometimes good or bad factor determine this illusion. For the illusion to take place it releases Reiatsu anyone that is caught in it will be affect however the user can make them unaffect and after the sword is sealed than the affects ae gone and its not like how Aizen's Zanpakuto power is forever to where he can make them experience illusions at any time. Finally, it affects the most loved sense that they love at that time, years later it might change.: The Twilight of Your Despair 13:15, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Archiving
I'm copying/pasting this from what TD5 told me.

And to create an archive first click edit on your talk page. Then highlight everything and copy it with ctrl+c. Then delete it all and put on your page user:Njalm2/Archive 1. Hit save and you will have nothing but a red link on your talk page. Click the red link and it will pull up a blank page for you. Paste all the stuff into there and hit save. That will be your archive. Your talk page will then just have a regular link to your archive then and people won't have to scroll for miles to reach the bottom of your page. This is how you archive. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 18:39, April 8, 2011 (UTC)