User talk:Twilight Despair 5

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Archive
I started my second archive.: The Twilight of Your Despair 02:16, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Hey
1. Hmm, let me ask you this. What defines a "god" in the bleach universe? By all accounts each Shinigami is a "god" in their own right, given their awesome prowess in comparison to the average mortal. So what characteristics constitutes a "god"? Was Aizen one?

Also....I would remove the whole bit about...."the creation of new spiritual species and supernatural objects for others". That's pretty arrogant, and is the equivalent of saying that the only reason the Kosumosukihaku exist is because my Optimates have allowed them to. At least thats the kinda feeling I got when I read it.

As opposed to trying to define "new" roles for your race to fill, you could look towards ones that exist but have yet to be filled by a creature/entity in the bleach universe. Its a lot easier to do, as opposed to having to create one yourself.

2. I am heavily against creations that otherwise mimic the effect of an established artifact. Recreating the Hogyoku but giving it a different name is not the way to go. If you want help figuring out what this Divine Ark does, I'd be happy to be help, but please, refrain from simply making a Super Hogyoku.

3. I'm not sure I understand your answer. Are you having problems finding translations or having problems with trying to adapt your creation in the bleach universe?

4. ....I'm not exactly sure what that even means, but then again, at this point this is just a difference in our own personal opinions. I tend to stick to simple basics, and I'm quite content with the normal Spiritual Power. Were I my character Kenshin Yagami, I would have this to say,


 * "You believe yourself stronger because you draw your strength from a different source? Do you believe that by harnessing these abstract reserves of energy....that you will obtain a new plateau of power? Illusions...vagaries of perception. You delude yourself into creating these concepts, and that by mastering them....they will somehow allow you to overcome your own weakness, and that they will grant you a power beyond all others. How conceited. Your power...and my power are ultimately the same. The methods by which we've reached our destinations is what differs, not the end result. Spiritual Power is simply put; a measure of our will. Reason? Philosophy? Impure? Pure? Nothing more than illusions created by those unable to grasp the simple basic phenomena within this universe. Power is power, and in any sufficient quanity..will wipe out those weaker than it." - Kenshin Yagami

This is not meant to be insulting, nor is it to discredit any work. But at its core represents my own opinion of the creation of new types of energy. Hmm thats definately going down in his quote section. Lastly, how do you archive your talk page? --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 02:38, March 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks man, appreciate the help. Hmm....normally you're posts are rather short-hand, full of grammatical errors, but the last post you sent was...well not in your usual style. Do you just choose to write lazily or somethin? Oh and while I wont be able to RP with Dorothy or Ryuichi in the near future, I do have Kenshin Yagami whose available to RP with. Technically he's Aizen-class, cause well...I didnt have any characters of that level, and it seems like its required that every user have at least one, but if you have any ideas for RP I'd be happy to do one. As he's part of the Royal Guard, there could be a meeting with of your characters currently serving in the Royal Guard themselves too. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 03:34, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * O.o You should write like that all the time. As for Haru being a villian. All the more reason for my character to meet him. As a member of the Shinsengumi, he'd probably be tasked with hunting people like Haru down, given that his abilities are well suited for that. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 04:11, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, you can start the RP. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 04:24, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, I'll fix up the grammer, and make my post. I'll wait for your response tomorrow, assuming you're heading to bed. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 05:41, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Given Haru's power, I fully expect you to have some counter towards Kenshin's assumptions. I'm just putting you on the line is all. And thats Kenshin's manipulation at work btw. He IS a master beguiler and manipulator after all. Best to demonstrate that as early as possible and whenever the opportunity presents itself. Anyway, I'll be awaiting your response. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 06:07, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Kenshin...rather..Haruzen has started the battle. Its your go. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 17:24, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I should warn you, that Kenshin's Zanpakutou will "destroy" any body its blade comes in contact with. As the bodies are products of your Zanpakutou's ability, they are essentially fair game. Haru will likely realize that the body that was going to cast the spell is...gone. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 17:51, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Its your go, though I have to question the reasoning behind Haru's action. Then again he doesnt know that Kenshin's zanpakutou "reads" memories, therefore granting Kenshin foreknowledge about his inventions and other abilities. I tried my best to create a....fusion of Haru's and Aizen's personality, hope you've enjoyed it. Like I said, Kenshin's Zanpakutou is extremely useful as he can gather massive amounts of information without any real effort. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 21:55, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hehe, I'm honored, I'll be posting my reply after this. Though to be honest, Kenshin wouldnt ordinarily fight like this. But then, with Haru being as powerful as he is, his...impressions would heavily influence Kenshin's own personality, seeing that he's now a combo of Haru and Aizen...personality wise. I could get used to this. Lot of potential in other RPs with his abilities. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 03:31, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Your turn, and for future reference, you dont need to put quotations (for example "blah") between each sentence. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 03:45, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Your go. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 04:32, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Aside from the fact that he has characteristics of both Haru and Aizen, Kenshin is essentially calling your bluff. And even if you did use them, you'd have no cards left to play anyway. Kenshin is in a way counting on that. Although Haru must realize by now that Kenshins sword doesnt just destroy bodies. He's demonstrated the ability to instantly annihilate kido with a swing of his sword as well. Haru should take that into consideration, and given his intelligence, I'm sure he would realize that even if he DID convert the body into a spell, if Kenshin hits it with his sword, it AND the spell will instantly dissolve. Although given how things are turning out, I'm really curious as to where this is going to go. Oh and its your go. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 05:30, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I havent used any real foreknowledge of your abilities. Haru has explained nearly every attack he's used. Based on your descriptions, its rather easy to figure out how the rest of the abilities work. Though its interesting to note this battle of...manipulation. Though from my point of view, Kenshin seems to be winning in that regard. Forcing an opponent into a gambit and unleashing their most powerful moves is quite an accomplishment. I dont think Haru has been forced into this situation often. Then again the powers of Kenshin's Zanpakutou are rather unique to begin with. And its your go. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 18:30, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm interesting, though even I cant decipher all of his motivations. Anyway its your go. If you are interested in wanting to know more about how Kenshin Yagami exists, I can explain later. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 20:28, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the last post, but I had class tonight, just got back. Post will be up in a few. Kenshin doesnt follow Haru, though he does leave a few parting words. All in all this was pretty fun. I can see why people enjoy making characters or at least having characters this powerful. Though in retrospect, Kenshin's Zanpakutou ability is FAR more powerful than I believed possible. And sorry for the constant insults to Haru, it was more of a mind-game to get in his head and unsettle him. It seems to have workred to a degree. Though its interesting that I did call your bluff, haha, I honestly thought you were actually going to carry it out. As much as Kenshin boasted, he wouldnt have been able to stop you if both Haru and his spirit corpse moved away from each other and then cast the spell. Manipulating actual authors/character to get what you want is hard, but it can be done. You just have to know what buttons to press and what leverage you can effectively use. That and knowing the appropriate time to use them. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 01:59, March 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey Twilight, how's the weekend going? Anyways, a couple of things I wanted to address in response to our RP. For starters, you dont have to explain how your abilities work. While they do it in the series it is mostly for the benefit of the audience, and so there's some reasonable suspense of belief. However in an RP its completely unnecessary. Kenshin revealed very little, if anything the only true thing he told Haru was confirming that he was indeed a Zanpakutou. Nothing more. I wont lie and say that I didnt take advantage of the fact that you did describe your powers throughout our RP. Recall how Kenshin never really revealed how his abilities worked, the fact that he lied, and used insults to rile Haru up. Secondly when describing your actions in response to my own, you should take the time to address each action I performed. If you recall in each one of my responses, I went into detail or expanded on describing the nature of your attack, and how Kenshin dealt with it. Afterwards I addressed by own actions. In an RP this is crucial because it draws the reader in, as well as making the fight more believable and interesting for all parties involved. Adding...details, and describing the nature of ones attacks makes the fight all the more interesting. Instead of "i slash Blah" and I respond, "I use shunpo to dodge Blah", you could use what i did in saying, "blah descended upon blah with the fury of a lightning bolt, his attacks nothing more than blur as lighting flashed with each strike." and you respond with, "blah brings his zanpakutou to defend himself, and with each clash a thunderous deafening roar echoes out. His sword and body seem to float around the attacks, evading them with masterful ease. As he deflects one blow to the side he feints bring his sword slow, and with his other hand hurls a Haien in his opponents face." Ya know, things like that make the battle FAR more interesting. You can take a simple exchange and turn it into something epic. Anyway thats all I have to say, hopefully you have some ideas of where I need to improve, so we can both become better RPers. We should RP again soon. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 21:09, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Posted
Pls do say if I posted at the wrong RP cuz that would really be embarrasing... lol and yep I'd like to give any sort of help concerning Philosophy ^_^ Lone Black Garuga 09:57, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

-sighs and facepalms- oh well... ill remove it then... TT ^TT such embarassment Lone Black Garuga 23:03, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Ok then.. I just posted ^_^ .. Lone Black Garuga 01:55, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Posted ^_^ You'll be seeing Ciel's warmer side sooner or later Lone Black Garuga 02:19, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah.. Its okk.. Ur go anyhow lol Lone Black Garuga 03:06, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm.. Changing the spiritual molecules of objects? Breaking the spiritual structures which causes objects to implode or any other effects... In such way.. Philosophy is related on how we percieve things, with those abilities, we mold things on how we see it fit.. or simply on how we want it to be.. ^_^ get the idea? well ur go Lone Black Garuga 03:24, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

^_^ No.. Dat's not the Demonic Kido... Its simply another way of using Kido which would be harder to stop and break.. Ill explain it on the RP later and ur go Lone Black Garuga 03:42, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Philosophy
Well, I have no complaints, but you might wanna make it something similar to Reason, instead of something different completely. Philosophy does use reasoning, so the two are rather closely related. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 20:06, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Ok
I'll answer in order of your questions:

1) Try not to think of the Optimates as individual characters. They arent like super-powered versions of Aizen. Imagine if you will if Reason had sentience. In fact they are more like it then an actual entity. Concepts given intelligence, is basically what they are. Power? Form? Meaningless really. As for hell itself, the River styx is both the boundary between them and the that which fills the space beyond them. So I suppose its possible for other entites to exist, but the likelyhood is....there's a reason when people associate hell, its referring to the Optimates.

2) The Kosomosukihaku (you really need a shorter name...probably one of another language...if they truly are older than the universe...why are they using a language created barely over 2000 years ago? Wouldnt...Sumarian be better? They're at least...over...7000 years old.) are hard to...discern. Given how they're supposed to fill the "god" category thats pretty broad. I'm iffy on how they came to be so its hard to think of...what they WOULD seal inside the ark. Considering that evil gods existed, the only thing I can think of would...some aspect of the original king himself. Perhaps his evil twin or something? Or darker half? It had to have existed when he came into existence, and be enough of a threat that he would have been forced to seal it away.

3) I have...no idea. What do you want it to do. You mentioned that it drawn from Sacred Energy from Yuyu Hakusho, but perhaps thats not the route you wanna go. Otherwise it will end up being a template called "badass" that people will apply to their characters. Along the same lines as Hollowification to make them more powerful.

I dont have much to say, you already known my stance on creating new energy sources. Shinigami, Zanpakutou, Hollows, they can have virtually any power we can think of. ANY. So whats the point in creating something abstract to use, when any one character could possess it themselves? Unless the author wants their creations to be so unique, as a whole that they can use this "special" energy, I honestly dont see the point. Thats just a case of someone trying to stroke their own ego. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 03:46, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

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1) Hmm using Japanese as the base langauge still doesnt make any real sense. Even if they could see the future, choosing japanese as their base language is both out of place and random. Unless this specific sect of Cosmic Souls originated in Japan, than you should...reword your history. Include a bit of history on the Original King, but then create a seperate section for the ones that actually reside in japan itself, to make a distinction. Otherwise it comes off as...an afterthought...like you just decided to give them a japanese name, just because they're in Japan.

2) As opposed to "pre-dating time" you might want to instead refer to this...hm...actually it would be really interesting if the Cosmic Souls were actually the remnants of a race who lived in a previous universe before our current one existed. Although how they got there is unexplained, and the original king, probably being the only one who remembers claims that they "imagined" themselves into existence as a way of erasing the past.

3) Think of it practically. Shinigami send Plus's to Soul Society for what reason? To prevent their atrophy in the Human World and turning into Hollows. So then we have to ask....why do souls degrade in the Human World. The answer is simple if you consider what Soul Society is. A world filled with spiritual energy. So one can assume that the average spirit must consume be it naturally or through simple exposure - spiritual energy. Otherwise they transform into an entity that will voraciously seek out spiritual energy for survival.

Now if the Cosmic Souls are to play a role, what practical use would it be? Consider this. Cosmic Souls are simply put, masses of concentrated spiritual energy that propagate ie, they grow increasingly larger and more expansive. In a nut shell, they counter the natural entropy of spiritual energy in the universe ie the slow but eventual and permanent loss of spiritual energy, simply by existing and their ability to "generate" new reishi. Now Cosmic Souls are "masses" that have obtained a will of their own. However the more personality and more individualistic they become, the "weaker" they become. This is due to them having to disassociate themselves with what they are, and what they're becoming. In a way they have to literally tear themselves apart from these masses, taking only a small portion of their power. They step down from...true honest to goodness gods, to actual characters people can roleplay as.

Sure its possible for them to acquire more power themselves, but the inherent powers of a Cosmic Soul, specifically the creation of Reishi is eventually lost. Its very backwards in the bleach universe but I think this could work out well. Not only do they serve a practical function, but it prevents every god from being Aizen-class. The naturally stronger ones are more emotionless, with little drive. However the weakest ones are like full-fledged people, that can experience, a humans full range of emotions.

If you wanted to explain some of the abilities like Zanpakutou and the like. These mass generally congregate near other masses, such as Soul Society and thus their growth and powers that they develop as they become individuals are adapted from their surroundings.

4) Good luck with your Philosophy

5) I have no idea who the Destruction species are, or what they're capable of, but I'll help if i can.

Anyways these are just my thoughts/suggestions. Whatever you choose, good luck with its creation. Hope any of it helped or at least got the creative juices flowin. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 23:43, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reply
Well, I'm fine. Just slightly tired, how about you? By the way, I don't get bothered by your requests. I actually find most of them rather interesting. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 23:21, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

It was fun
I posted... But u might wanna add one last post Lone Black Garuga 02:34, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

^_^ yeah.. I know I'll lose anyway.. about the True Kido.. Well basically, it controls a *part* of reality.. It has its own limits and isn't as powerful as it may sound. Hmm.. Actually nix the word *control* as it technically just affect *reality* directly. Shinigami Kido focuses more on how to control their reiatsu and how it can be used. ^_^ just trying to explain hehehehe but what you said also make sense since there are demons of different Levels and Ciel's case is extremely rare.

With that aside... What ability r u talking about? Lone Black Garuga 05:54, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Very Nice!
I've saw the article, but I haven't actually looked over it until you pointed it out there now. Twilight, that is an awesome idea, dude. I know it isn't complete, but when it is, I think it'll be an interesting concept (it is already) and a pretty hard to master aspect of someone's power. I'm looking forward to the finished product, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 16:01, March 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * By no means is my German as good as it used to be (I used to take classes along with Spanish when I was younger), but I believe the proper spelling of the word Verzweifung that you gave is actually Verzweiflung which translates loosely as Despair. Now, Arrow of original sin, what I managed was Pfeil von Erbsünde but I'm not as sure about that one. I did double check with two other translation sites so its up to you, pal. It's the best I can do for ya. The GF have a Gintō page, so add it there the same way you would Kidō if its for the Gintō page, dude. Hope I helped. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 21:08, March 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * As I said my German isn't as good as it had been about six years ago, and I rarely actually use it anymore with the exception of a few phrases now and then to a girl or two when I'm out a night. They seem to like it when you waffle in foreign languages :) Well with the description you've given, I can't help but compare it to the Quincy artifact that Uryu used throughout the Bount arc as a work-around for having lost his powers. While the method is different (shards as opposed to actual Reiryoku) the basic idea is the same, so I'd completely avoid any references to the Final Getsuga and stick with that to avoid the whole "people will give me hell" thing, ya know? Then again its entirely up to you, dude, so go with whatever idea you want to yourself. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 21:38, March 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * If I was using it, I wouldn't do so with Kenji cause he's got quite a bit on his article already power wise. He has the Yuengiri transformation, his own zanpakutō and his and Kyo's fused state along with the average Shinigami powers. I just don't wanna pile abilities onto him, at least not at the minute. If I was using it in an incomplete form (I'm talking basic control and manipulation at the beginning) then I'd use it with Jinta Kanō cause later events in my stories will push him to make some important decisions, and to carry then through he'll need all the power he can get. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 22:24, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Quincy
I have to decline on both accounts - Hiroya wouldn't want much to do with Quincy (Ryuichi is different as he was once his student) secondly, if he fights your character it'd pretty much be impossible for you to win, as despite how powerful he may be to regular people - he's still a human; Hiroya's almost god-like in comparison to normal Shinigami, imagine how he'd be if he was pitted up against a Quincy - there's a reason that they were eliminated so easily, after all.

And also, Hiroya is a pacifist not a "Hero" being a pacifist what he ultimately doesn't want is war, or well violent conflict. He wouldn't care about what Quincy's do.

Njalm2 13:32, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Reply
It was fine, despite the fact that I've been sick all weekend. But meh... I'll get over it. Anyways, about the Soul King being a Zanpakutō, I'm still going over the specifics in my head, and hopefully once I'm all better in terms of physical health, I'll be able to think more clearly. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 20:53, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ginto Creation
Right, I personally don't think that Gintō can rival Kidō, the reason for this is also quite simple - Quincy use abilities whom are heavily limited due to their human nature; thus most Quincy Spells should Support-Ones, like Sprenger, whom instead of creating a massive spell effect takes a good deal of preperation to get up, but in the end, it is only as powerful as what I deem to be a level 60's spell, I think that Quincy spells should thus focus on embolstering Reishi so as to increase the potency of their techniques overall. I don't have any information about that spell you spoke of and I'm thus unable to process its uses, (the name itself is also very general and misleading, so you should probably change that), however, since you've first made the mistake of asking me about Bleach Magic, I have a few suggestions for spells!

Blitz-Platzen - (Flash Burst): A spell which is activated by scattering the contents of a Silver Tube in the air infront of the caster, every little drop of spiritual energy will then solidify into blue bullet-like shapes, which are then released towards the enemy at great speeds - though it can be cast without its incantation, doing so makes the bullets ignore differences in Spiritual Power, allowing them to harm virtually anyone.

Incantation: "White Square, Silver Goblet, scatter bright and vividly - Blitz-Platzen!"

Große Erhöhung - (Great Enhancement): By muttering the incantation and letting three drops from a Silver Tube fall onto the palm of your hand, the next spell you cast will become substantially more powerful, this can also be applied directly onto the spell itself, such as Sprenger (By pouring three drops instead of the usual one)

Incantation: "Three drops, one liquid, seven tubes and one conclusion - Große Erhöhung!"

Here you go, hope this helps!

Njalm2 15:46, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Howdy
Just to let you know, I'm not ignoring you, dude. Lately, I've tended to avoid my talk page because I've hardly any time of my own lately because my little bro needs the computer to do his own work for NF. I'll be free tomorrow to start an RP (I think, time allowing; but no promises), so if all goes well, we can start it then. Right now, though, I'm making the finishing touches to Kitsui Sanretsu and adding the information for the Mūnraitorōzu that Kenji's sister, Kireina Shiba leads. After that, I won't be online the rest of the night, sadly. Oh, just pointing out that Fake Karakura Town probably isn't the best example to use if you plan to do so for your new race, because it would've switched again with the original after it was no longer needed, meaning the Fake is still in Soul Society should it ever be needed again. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 17:50, March 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * You wanna roll against Yoshiro, right? I'll have his old man take part in the RP, but he won't be fighting; just observing with a few smart comments to his son throughout. Btw, who you using? You wanna start it up, then? Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 19:46, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's fine, dude. At the minute all Yoshiro uses it for is creating Reishi to augment his Hollow powers. They absorb reishi from the atmosphere to help power their abilities (my thoughts to why Ichigo's hollow powers advanced so quickly in Hueco Mundo). And then he's got the basic deity protection, cause Jiro has taught him some things. Besides, Yoshiro's a fast learner; probably faster than even Kenji. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 20:00, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Its your turn, but to make things a little more interesting, we could have these two having some sort of past history so they know each other. Makes things easier when Yoshiro gets called. What ya think? Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 20:16, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Right, he's been arrested, so I've took the scene to Yoshiro a week after the intro. If there after Jiro, it wouldn't be a hard thing to say they'd be after Yoshiro to. Your turn, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 20:43, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Your up again, dude. I'm just wondering if you wanna introduce Purinsu at any point, considering his past meeting with Yoshiro. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 20:57, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I might have went with Shino if Yoshiro wasn't already scooped up. He's married to Momoko Misaki and has a daughter, so you'll be lucky to get him to bat an eyelid lol. Your up again, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 21:14, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I thought you'd need to change some of it. Ah well, it all worked out, though. Anyways, your turn again, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 21:28, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

I made my post, but I'm gonna hit the hay after I do Grizz a favor. I'll post again tomorrow, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 21:52, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Your turn dude. I have one question, though. Does he need to be immortal? Cause I'd prefer him not to be. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 20:44, March 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * There is another method I can offer if your willing to go with it, because I can't remove his current zanpakutō for plot reasons (I've written roughly 3/4 of it already). I've got my own race called the Excavado, and they're created when a Vizard reach a level of complete harmony within themselves in terms of Shinigami and Hollow. If you'd be willing to go with it, the same process could be applied with Yoshiro. I haven't added it to the Excavado page yet, but there are two types within the race. Those who keep their old zanpakutō and obtain a Resurccion and those who gain an Excavado's zanpakutō. Though the process in becoming an Excavado is incredibly difficult, as one needs to bring themselves to a level in which their Inner Hollow threatens to overwhelm them and is then brought into line. Hows that sound to you? Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 21:33, March 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, I thought he lost his old one, as thats the usual way of things when a new zanpakutō's obtained. I'll go with the Excavado method, though (sorry If I'm being a pain), but I see some great potential in combining those sets of powers. Besides, I've said before how I don't like my characters being immortal, but thats just my preferences. Your up again, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 21:52, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'm gonna finish up Kazuma Nishiki's new appearance and hit the hay, dude, so I'll post again tomorrow. I've got a psychology test, so I'm gonna try and get some shut eye lol. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 22:12, March 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Your turn again, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 20:29, March 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * P.S. Haha, I just got that message after my post lol. The only problem I have is that you haven't explained what the attack does beyond the fact it takes tremendous energy to perform and afterwards, the user kicks the bucket :) I do like the inspiration and the quote. Ask me when the articles complete, and I'll give you a better opinion. Right now, there isn't enough to work with, ya know? Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 20:33, March 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, now that the fight will be beginning soon, there's a few things you need to know about the Excavado. When you see that his hollow powers are beginning to manifest without Yoshiro wearing the mask, you know he's beginning the transaction. He'll still be a hybrid, but the powers will forever remain mutual and at peace with the other. Your up again, pal. Take it away! Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 20:59, March 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's fine, saying as how they use the same zanpakutō with no differences except one has an Inner Spirit. Yoshiro's own knowledge will carry over, so he'll be fighting with his own powers regardless. Your turn again, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 21:21, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

The thing with Yoshiro is that he's got some wicked stamina and endurance. He can take a beating, and keep fighting beyond his limit if pushed. His sheer endurance is even higher than Kenji's, so this could take a while lol. Anyways, I've got something I need to take care of, so I'll post again later on. Later pal! Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 22:14, March 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * I went with three because his hollows influence would naturally create a greater dark side. Your up again, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 22:45, March 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't you think you should really have all this information posted on their article? It'd make things a hell of a lot easier on anyone using the race and yourself, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 23:03, March 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Whatever suits you, dude. I'd like a pop at Kamui, though :) Anyways, I haven't accepted the clones yet 'cause four on one will only bring him to his limit a lot quicker, 'cause he'll be expending a lot of energy just to try and stay alive. Your up again, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 13:51, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

I'd throw something powerful at you if I'd been given the chance, believe me. You've already said that the spell has erupted at the end of your last post, so there isn't much I can do beyond grinning and bearing it as its already been completed and fired. Next time, how about you give me a chance to try and avoid the thing more than I did, eh? Cause that was nothing short of auto-hitting at its extreme. Its your post, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 14:26, March 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * What made it auto-hitting was the confined space you used it in - meaning there's no putting distance between the fighters - and the fact you didn't give me a chance to interrupt it before you fired it. But enough. And just to let you know, Yoshiro lost 3/4 of his hollow mask, meaning not only did he lose 3/4 of the benefits, the wounds that did heal would require further energy, not to mention the amount required to use a Bakudo in the 90's. Counting all that, Yoshiro came out the worse in actuality. And I didn't take the "free shot" you gave me because its cheap. If I had of taken, whats to stop me lobbing his head off? Its a bad idea. I've more pride than that. I'll find my own openings, or create them as the RP goes. Its your turn again, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 16:36, March 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Your up again, dude. Release whatever skill in Philosophy Kiyoshi has and I'll do the same with Yoshiro. With the final strike, we can play out what you just posted on my talk page. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 17:06, March 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sure, just let me go and create a brand new ability for Yoshiro that'll negate whatever it is your about to do. This is why nothing is added to a characters powers & abilities when the RP has begun, dude. You can't just go creating new skills in the middle of an RP, or everyone would start doing it. Add it to his article by all means, but it won't be used in this fight. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 17:18, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry dude. The old profile picture will be re-posted under his disguises section as soon as I expand the section with the various disguises he's used throughout his history. That one in particular is important because its the first one he was shown with. Real sorry. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 19:10, March 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the delays and all. I was busy fixing up some of the templates the GF use for the Fōrun-juu and Reikon Kyuuban races last night and didn't have enough time before class to post in school today. I've left it open for you to stab Yoshiro so he can accept his powers and begin the transformation. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 16:37, March 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. If you want, you can describe the merging of his powers in the orb thing, since you know more about it than I do. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 17:23, March 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * If you wanna do a quick timeskip, we can begin bringing this to a close, dude. Your up again. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 18:50, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

We'll finish this tomorrow, then. I'm gonna hit the hay, dude. Later. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 20:03, March 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Your turn again, dude. Since the fightings over with and we're in the closing stages, I'm gonna start making the adjustments to Yoshiro's page, 'cause its high-time I gave the entire article a re-haul. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 15:15, March 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I was hardly going to try and split him open lol. Yoshiro's dynamic, but that much. Anyways, its your turn, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 16:37, March 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * You mean Kaimen Kazuki? I decided on a different route with him, and made him an ordinary Shinigami instead. He isn't an important character, since he only appears every now and then before fading into the background, so I can afford to be flexible with his role and race. The Shinigami fits better as well, because he acts as a mentor-type to Shinrei Kurosaki whose a Vizard, so he'd have a better insight. Oh yeah, I don't mind Hiroya joining the tourney. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 09:08, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Translation Request
Alright, Ill start off by listing the translations:
 * Spiritual Enforcer (霊的粛正, Reiteki Shukusei, lit. "Spiritual Enforcement")
 * Silent King(粛然王者, Shukuzenouja, lit. "Solemn King")
 * The High King of End (大国王, Shuuketsu no Daikokuo, lit. "Great King of the End")
 * Land of True Kings (真先王の国, Sennououja no Kuni, lit. "Land of the True Kings")
 * Promordial One (初回生存, Shokai Seizon, lit. "First Being")

Now for my response to your earlier questions/statements/remarks

Oh, and my weekend went pretty good, thanks for asking. And just because you're RP skills are average doesnt mean we can't get better. If you keep what I said in consideration when you RP, along with any feedback other people give you on ways to improve, little by little you'll start doing it. It just takes time and experience. I'm sure Seireitou or any of the other admins on this site fared no better when they started, and now look at them.

As for the Destruction Species. Hmm but why "destroy" these masses of spiritual power? Whats the danger in them existing? You should properly address the reason for why it nees to be done. As for souls being....changed by the Dangai..hmm that IS possible. Well when you say "destroy" time loops or time distortions....do those even exist in the bleach universe? And if so, why are they bad? Eventually they'll just collapse on their own right? Unless you plan on going on to detail how the spacetime continuum functions and its relation to the universe itself, you may want to steer away from that. And if they are bad, how do these species go about "destroying" them to begin with. Thats like...destroying an entire timeline if you will. Thats some godlike power. Wouldnt they be able to destroy the main bleach timeline as well? Why wouldnt they? Whose keeping them on a leash? Is there a Time Space Administration Bureau, that oversee's this? I'm not trying to discourage you or anything, but I'm the type of guy who likes the details, so I tend to ask these kinds of questions.

But tell me, you seem to be...searching for ideas as for what purpose these kings existed. You had to have an original concept, what was that? What did you originally perceive them as doing? You may be just getting off-track. Sometimes its best to go back to the basics and reanalyze previous thoughts. By giving species like this such....grand responsibilities, you also need to explain why such responsibilities exist in the first place. What are the dangers of things are left untouched? --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 19:29, March 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well to be honest, I'm in the middle of two RP's myself. But I'd be happy to do another with you once I'm finished with either one. Oh and here's that translation: Ikkitousen no Shippai Keiro (一騎当千の失敗経路, lit. "Failed Path of the Matchless Warrior") --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 01:31, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, sorry I havent been on much today, I've been busy all day. Anyways, I wanted to ask you, since I've petitioned Kenji, to join Gravity Force. He and Njalm have been given me their votes, but I'd also like your consideration as well, since we've both RP'ed in the past. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 04:17, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I never did understood why you deemed it necessary to explain that they are immortal. While it is implied that Shinigami have a finite lifespan, in my stories at least, Captains like Unohana are at least 2000 years old, and wont be showing any signs of dying anytime soon. I consider most "spiritual beings" as immortal to begin with, so to answer your question, yes it makes sense that they should be "immortal" as well. But I'm not sure I understand your last question, "I need to know for out of all the four species they are the ones with the second to last in terms of how many they are". What exactly did you mean here? --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 18:52, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Uhmmm
Kinda like how Tsukuyomi Itachi had? Well that's a nice idea! ^_^ I'll try to fix it and make it as a whole ^_^ tnx TD5 Lone Black Garuga 13:27, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Forbidden Spell
Yeah, I think so too, though you might want to change what it does - Its effect seems... unfitting for a spell that requires such great preparations to only do something as general as binding and destroying - I suggest the following, make the spell capable of creating items and objects (perhaps even conditions and situations) as long as the lead Spellcaster knows exactly what he wants.

Oh and! If you haven't seen yet, Hiroya used a spell which I believe to be made by you, namely Hado 95: Teikoku Ikari (帝国の怒り, Imperial Wrath). There is another thing as well, and this is about the Incantations that you write - I think its awesome that you make incantations for your spells, but they lack alittle something in my opinion; the incantations don't feel like incantations - this is due to the fact that they actually make sense! Kidō Incantations are very often based on metaphors and they usually make no sense at all, I think that should be held in mind when making incantations, don't you? Makes it flow better into the Bleach universe.

New spell that fits Hiroya? Tell me please! I'm curious!

Quite the nice spell, though that'd fit more as an ability of Shirohane than a spell (Not to mention that the incantation was abit unfitting) - White Feathers are usually Hiroya's personal touch, his spells don't appear like that. And about the Japanese translation - here it is: "Shirohane, Hakuchō Mizūmi" (しろはね白鳥湖, Japanese for White Feather, Swan Lake)

At any rate, its quite the nice ability, I might use it sometime, and if I do I'll give you credits in his Trivia section!

--Njalm2 14:09, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

RP
I will accept your request. Just say when you want to. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 20:02, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Posted. here's the link: http://bleachfanfiction.wikia.com/wiki/Crawl_intoheaven_or_strut_into_hell User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 20:23, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Coolio. Sorry about missing that space in the title. But anyway, your post my friend. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 20:35, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

posted. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 21:09, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

your turn. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 21:21, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

your go. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 21:41, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Your turn when you get back. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 21:56, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Your up my friend. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 00:38, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Posted. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 18:59, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Your turn. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 00:49, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Posted. your turn. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 01:03, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Your move.User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 01:18, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Your up TD. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 01:27, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Your turn, and I don't see the harm in using something like that. Please, by all means, go ahead.User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 19:30, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Your up. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 19:52, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Posted. Your move TD. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 20:16, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Posted. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 21:05, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Your turn. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 23:04, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Your turn, when you have a moment. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 20:12, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Your up. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 20:47, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

As always, it was a pleasure Rping, my friend. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 02:01, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Hey
About the Stat thingies, yes, I know that already - Hiroya's an Aizen-Class character basically because of his Zanpakutō and his skills with Kidō. I also agree that Stats, while useful are quite abstract in the long run. Even if Hiroya fought against Kiyoshi there'd be no telling who'd win - despite Hiroya's stats being inferior by 15 points (We should probably do that sometime, to find out who is the most powerful Homosexual on BFF! The Queer-King Title MATCH!! EPIC BATTLE!)

Anyhow, about the new spells - please tell me, I always appreciate idea-sharing (though I do wonder why you put so much effort into helping me with Hiroya, though) but I don't complain!

Oh and, about those "Unique-Type Zanpakuto" - I refuse to accept those as more powerful than any other Zanpakuto, as in my opinion that is a loud of crap and a subtle form of godmodding; an individuals Zanpakuto's power depends primarily on the Shinigami in question, and even more important, how well the two communicate in question. The older and more experienced the Shinigami, the more powerful the Zanpakuto in question is.

Ahh, well I responded to what you said on the Kido Talk-page, "Because, those that make Kido, Kido-sub types and the Fanfiction Unique type which are far rarer and different that just a standard Kido-sub type might view this as contemp of their work" - It was a misunderstanding on my part; please excuse me for that. I've merely have problems with the whole "Unique-Zanpakuto" thingy. While they haven't yet explicitically stated that those Zanpakuto are more powerful than the base ones, I fear that it might happen the future.

As for Sei and Ten Tailed Fox being godmodders, I've not roleplayed with either of them so I can't really say anything in that regard; however - my primary concern is that the idea of "Unique" Zanpakuto might turn out bad in the end - especially concidering that the Zanpakuto depicted therein would all pass as Kido-types under normal circumstaces.

Hmm, well, you're right in that one shouldn't just burt things out, but this had been bugging me for quite some time and then it kinda just came out on its own; I've asked Seireitou to explain wether they're more powerful or not to me directly - which I likely should've done a lot sooner, but enough about these gloomy topics.

There's another thing I wanted to talk to you about, which is that you should attempt to expand Haru's article abit, perhaps add references to your battles against me and Illuminate Void? You should also describe his abilities in Kido abit more, perhaps add some new spells and such? I'd be happy to transelate them if you did!

--Njalm2 14:37, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

My Day
It was fine. I was glad to receive an admission acceptance from Worcester Polytechnic Institute, so I don't need to worry about the remainder of high school that much. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 18:52, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Arks? I suppose I could take a look around, though I doubt there will be many, if any. --Seireitou-shishō [[File:Seireitou's signature picture.jpg]] (My True Identity 19:00, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

RP
Hey, Twilight, whats up? If you're up for it, I'd be happy to do another RP. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 20:29, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Reply
Ugetsu was actually made a long time ago, just needed to add something to the page. Ten should be returning sometime this week, and right now, I'm just watching the new Shippuden episode to get some brain juices flowing. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 19:22, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Collaborative Criminal Organisation
Right, there's a new topic up on the Gravity Force's Talk page, you should contribute as well, who knows, perhaps Haru could be made a member of it, if it is ever created.

--Njalm2 14:17, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with your assessment that they shouldnt be part of the Royal Family. Personally I'm actually against something like that as it steps on too many toes. I'll be addressing this in my post. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 22:57, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

The Body's alive... And a Soul dwells inside...
As the title says... Its just that its no longer Margin who is using that living body... Yes, physically his alive but his completey gone inside... its another soul that dwells inside him. The conscious reiatsu... hehehe i do hope that's acceptable. Lone Black Garuga 03:22, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

My Day
I'm doing alright, just trying to get some work done on my main antagonist Sōkudo before dinner. How was your day? --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 21:24, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hiya
Heya pal! Long time no talk! lol. Well i was reading over it and I like it. Its a pretty cool idea. I'm glad you thought of something like that. Keep Up the great work pal! =D RozeluxeMeitzen 13:26, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you but I think I'm fine for now. I dont think I could incorporate it into any of my characters at the moment. RozeluxeMeitzen 13:40, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm I would probably make it like an inner being. That way its not OP and the one who want to use it have to develop it someone then gain control over it instead of just automatically being capable of great feats. For an example someone just learning about it would only gt a slight increase in power. While someone who has 'tamed' it will become as power as you stated before. RozeluxeMeitzen 13:51, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ahhhhh! Ok I see what you mean. Yea that makes sense. Well if that's how you want to do it then tone it down just a bit. Don't make it so that ALL of those that use it can be more powerful than a captain and such. That would just be OP, make it so that it depends on who has enough skill to master the energy becomes that powerful, while some have to work harder than others to obtain that lvel of power. Otherwise you have ppl on here just getting the power to say that their character are stronger than everyone elses. You know what I mean? RozeluxeMeitzen 14:11, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Hello
Thanks man! I'd love to RP with you sometime, once I manage to finish up some stuff and get my things here organised a little bit. Cheers! -- Jet'ika (Talk  | Contribs ) 14:53, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Tournament
I honestly don't think I'll get to post anytime really soon, so I guess Kamui probably just "lost interest and left". It wouldn't be fair to keep the other two waiting for me, so I'll respectfully withdraw. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 18:55, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your assistance
Allright, I think its about high time that I actually took the time of thanking you for actually giving me all of those spell ideas, and about that Kido character of yours, more powerful than Hiroya you say? If thats the case its probably for the best that you never made him, Hiroya has a ton of weaknesses in order to make him somewhat balanced, and even so - he's capable of fighting effectively against two Aizen-Class opponents at the same time.

A character above his level of Kido provess, (not to mention that Hiroya's other skills are formidable as well) would very likely be highly overpowered, even more so due to the fact that you (and this is a friendly advice about something I think you should work on :) ) very rarely seems to give your characters definite weaknesses. No offense of course :).

Anyhow, criticism aside, thank you for all the wonderful ideas of spells and abilities, they're primarily very original and good, though I think you should reduce your use of "Foolishness, and Fools" in incantations, as those describe something personal, while Kido incantations are more commonly quite abstract. GAH now I'm back at critics again >_< - AH! About your roleplay with Illuminate Void, and while I know this is rather late, I never quite noticed anything bad about you in our roleplay, you clearly know all the rules and the only real thing you did wrong was the thing with Rikojokoro and Hainawa. Though I never saw something like that in your battle with Void, also, I only really roleplayed against you once, which makes me unable to tell the scope of your abilities, though they're no doupt quite above the average.

Finally, I noticed that there's some problems with your Tournament (I noticed here on your talk page as I was about to leave this message, excuse me for being nosey!) - most assuredly a lack of contestants, I just want to inform you that if the situation worsens, I'd be happy to participate with Hiroya, he'd even be capable of getting there on his own, most likely. And even if he doesn't, the Varukirii would perhaps choose to go and look for additional fighters? With this I also encourage you to invite further members of the Gravity Force if the need arises, we've got quite the assortment of new members, after all :)

Well, if he wins Zettaiteki, he'll undouptedly try to seal it away; wether it works or not is of course up to you, and I find it highly plausible that since Zettaiteki is so old, its very likely that it was created before the Sacred Spells, in that case - the spells wouldn't work on it. In that case, Hiroya would take it for himself like anyone else who'd win it.

As for dodging every attack, I never actually do that, and even if Hiroya avoids most attacks - he still very easily gets tired in battle, so it'd be fully possible for you to declare Kenji's victory even if Hiroya was unscathed, his low stamina is one of his prime weaknesses, after all. Hiroya would undouptedly tire at nearly the tripled rate of Kenji. In addition to this, despite the fact that Valhalla revives the dead - Hiroya will always pull his punches to a degree, and he'd be unlikely to kill Kenji even though he'll be revived eitherhow.

And abour rhe leaving of Valhalla and such, that's completely up to you, its your tournament and its your Spirit World, if you say he can't leave it, then he can't.

Ahh, thank you, I've left a message for Kenji, lets just hope he sees it! And yes, Hiroya would very likely be able to teach Spirit Kido, though it'd require alot of effort on Spirits part, Hiroya doesn't want to teach Kido to anyone as he deems it highly destructive and a very dangerous art to practise.

And its naturally completely fine that you make Zettaiteki indestructible - Hiroya wanting to seal it away would simply be his reason for joining the tournament. The sword doesn't actually matter in and of itself, as I'd like to join the tournament solely for the prospect of getting to roleplay together with some rather good roleplayers!

So, you were popular hmm.. I'm surprised that you attracted both Gay guys and Girls, given how the tastes of us gay people are very different from that of girls - Girls usually prefer guys with somewhat feminine features (atleast where I come from), gay guys are very commonly attracted to other guys with highly masculine features. Hiroya, as a sidenote, is one of the latter - which basically means that if guys like, for example Kiyoshi ever attempted to flirt with him he'd be instantly rejected due to his pretty, and somewhat effeminate appearance :).

Oh and, the idea with the Optimates is quite neat, though you always seem to misinterpret the Optimates as actual beings, they're, and I think Void have told you this before, mere concepts, fleeting pictures and more a force than actual Diabolus, they're in fact not Diabolus at all, I think. And as for those gates, while I can't speak on behalf of Void, and though I'm still insecure about this - I think that the wish thingy would be quite good, as while in Hell. The Optimates can, if I am correct, do whatever they want, and manipulate the laws of physics in their domain. I've actually planned to host a tournament a good deal into the future, of which Arthfael will be hosting - he's one of the Optimates, and he'd likely host the Tournament simply as a means of having fun, in a similiar way that Roman Emperors demanded Colliseum matches to be held at their leisure.

Njalm2 20:28, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Tournament
WHats the name of the Article I am fighting in?Balance is EverythingUser Talk:WanderingShinobi 00:23, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Alright. Ill post in there tomorrow night, either first or after whoever.

I havent been on cause of some rl stuff, I dont really edit on NF anymore.Balance is EverythingUser Talk:WanderingShinobi 02:59, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Very well. Hopefully this will be good. A Kido user could prove quite entertaining.Balance is EverythingUser Talk:WanderingShinobi 05:01, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Oh I did. Haha...Its ok. Ryo is a master in all 4 combat styles of the Shinigami. No Grandmaster of anything, but Im thinking Ryo's own Kido prowess combined with his speed may prevail.Balance is EverythingUser Talk:WanderingShinobi 05:07, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Yo
You must've missed my last message. I decided to make Kaimen an ordinary Shinigami instead so he'd be a better mentor figure for Shinrei Kurosaki. Now, about the tourney, that's fine. I'll drop him a message now. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 13:43, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oops! I was posting on Raze's RP's and then moved onto Shinrei, so I forgot. I made my post, so its all yours, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 17:14, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Naw, I'll leave it up to you, dude. You make a lot of races and the like, while I prefer to work around the canon ones with a few exceptions lol. Your up again, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 17:44, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Dude, I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to ask you to change that last post. Jiro is an only child, hence his loneliness; which was the reason he left in the first place. He met and befriended Sousetsu Shiba, and later Koichi Hiroshi and Ryouta Hachirou before fathering Yoshiro. Please consult me about things like that in the future before you go ahead and post them, so you know whether its fine or not. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 18:08, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

No, no, no. That's not even like Jiro, for starters, dude. Regardless, he was in Soul Society roughly 3500 years ago with Sousetsu Shiba battling against Averian. Then he went into hiding in the Human World. Besides, Yoshiro's again an only child, as in no siblings. Its one of the reason he comes to envy Kenji and his siblings later. He doesn't have any. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 18:39, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's fine, dude. I'd have preferred to have been asked beforehand, though. Decisions regarding some of my main characters should be run past the owner first before you just go ahead and do it, don't you think? Anyways, you can finish it off, if you like. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 18:50, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * You shouldn't have told me that :) I'll be making some damn handycskills for him now... after I thibk of them lol. Anyways, that was pretty fun. Cheers dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 19:05, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Change of Plans
Hey, I just got the message that I'll be fighting against wandering Shinobi instead, please tell me the details of the skirmish and Kiyoshi should probably send one of the Varukirii to fetch Hiroya, seeing as he'd be unabe to travel to Valhalla himself as you stated. And, Hiroya's opponent will be Ryotenbin, yes?

Njalm2 14:10, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Cosmic Souls & Kiyoshi
Hmm, it would be an interesting battle no less, though given Kiyoshi's abilities it would likely be to his advantage. Either way I'd love to have a battle in the future.

As for the number of species, I would limit the number of powerful forces, keep in mind that the Gotei 13 (before everyone on BFF created a standard Aizen-class character), had no more than a few dozen spiritual entities that are Lieutenant level of higher. While the overall population can be high, I'd make the actual number of powerful ones, very small.

I wasn't going to go at you about it. Were you intending to play the original as a character, than I would advise otherwise, but like you said, its for reference mostly. Though I think Njalm really should consider hosting a tournament. Unfortunately any ideas I have about such will always have an ulterior motive. However the gates of Hell are "one way" meaning anything that goes in....doesnt come out. But I suppose a sort of...reverse summoning could work. Sort of how like Diabolus can be summoned to the mortal realm. If they "die" there they just end up back in hell. I suppose the same would work with various Shinigami and other races that "die" in hell only to find themselves back in the Human World/Soul Society.

Hmm, I did have an idea for a story arc concering one of the Optimates, if you'd be willing to listen. I hope to resurrect or rather showcase and have hell explained by Lord Beherit, to Ulquiorra Cifer. Given that in the promotional manga for the upcoming bleach movie in hell, two of the Espada did end up there, I figure it would be a good method to explain in detail the whose-who in hell and what exactly it all is, as well as some philosophical concepts such as...death in the Bleach universe and what it ultimatlely means. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 04:31, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

While the Optimates are omnipotent within their domains they are not by any stretch omniscient. Just as no human is aware of every hair on their body, no Optimates has complete dominion over their portion of hell. However getting to the domain of any Optimates is difficult, considering you'd have to traverse the "River Styx". But I did have plans for Ulquiorra of devising his own method to travel between them, so for the Cosmic Souls who are...by comparision infinitely stronger with greater powers it shouldnt be a problem for them.

But as for doing so without the notice of the Optimates? Not likely. Whether they crafted a backdoor entrance or not, the very nature of the Cosmic Souls is like...a blot on paper. If you consider the very nature of the Cosmic Souls, with their purification abilities, no Optimates would be caught unaware's by their presence. Its just not possible, given the way you've constructed their abilities. However the Optimates would probably allow the Cosmic Souls to do it anyways. In the end one soul saved, means nothing as thousands more pour into hell. For entities that have existed for countless millenia, they probably wouldnt care. The actions the Cosmic Souls take are ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Like dropping a pebble into the ocean. There may be a few ripples, but really, nothings changed, at least from their their perspective.

Though if these entities did crossover, no Diabolus would want to remain in service of a Cosmic Soul to be "forgiven" for its sins if dragged out of hell. Considering they are....sin incarnate - ie sin given sentience, it would be akin to asking them, "Hey, are you willing to allow yourself to be destroyed, completely and utterly, to be reborn as a new good person with a new identity, if so, follow me." Which is what that basically equates too. Although I think you were referring to any non-Diabolus soul to be dragged out of hell. Then that actually makes a lot more sense as there is still some chance of redemption.

Though in future roleplays, I would refrain from every having Kiyoshi appear, unless he is the protagonist in the RP or story. If you consider him to be like Yamamoto, the only time he did appear in canon was during the final battle against Aizen. And not a moment before. I can see him appearing when shit is about to hit the fan, or when carrying out a duty that only he can take care of. Other than that, I dont see why he would get himself involved into every little thing that happens.

For example, I can see our RP beginning with Kenshin having....detained several powerful Cosmic Souls as part of his ongoing investigation, to determine if they are a threat to Soul Society or not. I can see Kiyoshi, deciding to step in at that point. Makes sense. His most powerful subordinates are being hunted down by this man, so he should probably act. I see that as the most likely scenerio. I dont do it to...toot my own horn so to speak for my character, but I think that if Kenshin had surprise on his side, and knowledge of their abilities, he would be able to develop effective countermeasures and disable them, long before they got serious in battle. Which is one of Kenshin's primary advantages. He knows about his opponents abilities. They dont. He can also negate their abilities. Which may cause them to panic. Considering his mastery in swordsmanship, he could very well end a battle long before it has begun. Liberal use of "Senka" would ensure a quick victory, even if it sealed their powers only temporarily. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 05:32, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response, but I needed some time to myself for a few days. Anyway in response to your suggestion with Kenshin and the RP against Kiyoshi, its pretty sound, and yes I understand Kenshin would be in the wrong (morally speaking that is), though whether he acknowledges that or not is entirely up in the air, and how the events play out. But its a good idea nonetheless and opens up room for more opportunity.

As for limiting Kenshin's use of the ability, to be honest, its actually NOT as overpowered as you believe. Read up here The Swan and the Hunter. Even with its abilities, it has a great deal of restrictions in its use. First he has to see the ability used or have knowledge of its use. Like Kenshin told Haru, he was being rather kind and arrogant enough to explain his powers before using them, which Kenshin exploited. Also its capability is limited entirely to Kenshin being able to make contact with said attack. Effective and creative use of Kido and other abilities will hinder effectiveness of his...Illusion Slaying Sword.

Oh and here is your translation: Demonic Taint (魔性汚濁, Mashou Odaku; lit. Devilish Corruption") --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 21:53, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Um quick question. If the Kyuuten no Souzou is inaccessible, how could track a rogue Royal Guard member there? If I may, I'll take certain liberties to explain how he gets, if thats alright. The most likely method is the rogue Royal Guard member having stolen a precious artifact or item that would allow remote access (presumably this "latch-key" would allow access to realms beyond the Kyuuten no Souzou, some of which are unexplored or unknown), and the member either chose to go to Kyuuten no Souzou deliberately or did so by random. I figure this method works well enough, and would warrant Kenshin's...rather extreme lengths to get it back. In fact it could be an artifact that the Cosmic Souls are unaware of, further adding some tensions if you'd like. Or it could be a gift they gave to Soul Society. Either way, Kenshin will go above and beyond the call of duty to get it back. It probably doesnt help that he has next to no knowledge on the Cosmic Souls in the first place. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 02:46, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I have been a bit busy. Earlier this morning, I couldnt update the bleach wiki for some reason. Anyways, we're in agreement that Kenshin is pursuing a rogue shinigami who has one way or another stolen the key. Given the nature of the Cosmic Souls, Kenshin has little to no knowledge of this key, or what it can, aside from "opening the gate to the forbidden world". That alone is cause enough. We dont have to establish what the key does yet, in fact its better that we dont. The ambiguity of its nature makes retrieving it all that much more important.

Though I'm not sure if the rogue shinigami in question will have a larger role, beyond faciliting the RP. Well...its not like I havent done it before. But it would save me time if you had another rogue shinigami created aside from Haru. Or perhaps it IS Haru. Hmm, we could reference the Modest Truth of the Night God vs Colorless World. During the battle, Haru could have easily used one of his soul corpses to infiltrate and steal the key. In fact it sounds like something he would do, given his abilities and intellect. You also referenced the Cosmic Soul King in the RP too. Kenshin would have been tasked to find him again, and followed after Haru into the Kyuuten no Souzou.

Considering Haru's ambitions, and intellect, I'm sure that at the very least from analyzing his battle with Kenshin he would have realized that Kenshin has the ability to destroy any Kido or Zanpakutou ability. He could use this knowledge to purposely set Kenshin up against the Cosmic Soul King, in an attempt to destroy him or weaken him. Haru is stated to be a master manipulator and this is just the kind of thing he would do. Whether one, both or neither die during the battle, it doesnt matter as Haru still "wins" so to speak. What are your thoughts on that? --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 17:53, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Greets
Hi Twilight! (If I can call you that) It's very nice to meet you and I would like to thank you for noticing me as well as for the complements. They're very much appreciated. I would be honoured if the Gravity Force would accept me and my works. Cheers!

Duly noted. I am sorry to burst your bubble but you have gotten my gender mixed up. haha. But it was funny that you thought I was a girl. And that's an outdated picture of me by at least 2 years I think.

Haha. Apologize accepted. To be truthful, I think you're the first person to have ever though that I was a girl. They just find it funny that I want to be a Nurse, which I can see why since females are often stereotyped to be women. I'll be talking to Kenhi as soon as I can, since he messaged me a day later. Anyways. Cheers!

Oh really? That's interesting and more room for me (wink, if you get what I mean. lol.) Yeah, I know that nursing is predominately for women and I usually get snickers from people who don't know my reasons. I come from a long line of nurses, so its like continuing a family tradition that I have come to enjoy. I will surely ask you for help but I am currently working on my character in my sandbox, which you can check to see how its going. I try to be as realistic as possible. :] Also, I got Kenji's vote. haha.

Oh really. A restaurant? I'll be sure to visit it then when I'm around town. Haha. Well, you can surprised with what people will grow up to be. Who wouldn't like anime? I have a large to do list and manga to read list. And yes, I have received the power levels and I plan to have only a couple of Aizen-class characters. I haven't really thought about races, etc but I do plan to do so in the near future.

I like to have my characters to be finished first. But I will imply that the abilities will be developed in time as I don't want them to have the abilities altogether since thats just plain silly. So do you believe that my Kei will be an Aizen-class? lol. :3

Ah. I see. Well, only time will tell. Right? I will take out the part that states its a Reality-type as I wish to refrain from speaking to the admin for the time being, as I wish to remain unknown for the time being. lol. I will keep the things you have told me in my mind. Cheers!

Zettaiteki
I could put the weapon to a number of uses, If I happened to win it. I'll put 'em in bullet points for easiness:
 * Firstly, it'd make combating Averian that much easier for Kenji, as he could use the weapons spiritual energy to fuel attacks while he uses his own to focus on defense, or vice versa.
 * Secondly, the third of the Legendary Bakkōtō I made called Tsumitiā (罪ティアー, lit. Sinful Tear), with places a block on the targeted individual’s racial abilities, an example being Shinigami Kidō or a Hollows Cero. Averian gets his hands on that particular piece later, meaning Kenji won't be able to use the great majority of his Kidō skills, abilities from Kyo or even his Shunpo during the battle. The self-developing nature of the sword would allow Kenji to adapt the longer the battle went on, and since they both have such high spiritual energy, it would be a long battle.
 * Thirdly, it would give him a second pool of spiritual energy in the event he was cut off from his own spiritual energy. Since the sword is a seperate source, it wouldn't be effected by binding techniques in the same manner a human or spiritual being would.

That's pretty much it, really. Hope that answers your question, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 18:07, April 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * There's two problems with that idea, though. If Sanmiittai looked at things that way, he'd get moody whenever Kenji makes use of Kyoaku's power. He doesn't, so why would he for another weapon? That'd be pretty inconsistent with the zanpakutō's character. The second point is that Kenji can't afford to have anything limiting him when he does fight Averian, because it won't be a normal battle by any stretch of the imagination. It'll be a fight for survival. If, for some reason, he couldn't access his Bankai, then he'd be knocked aside and destroyed rather easily, I'm afraid. Averian's just that powerful, the one fighting him can't afford to make mistakes or be bogged down in any shape or form. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 18:29, April 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Why'd I want the world to morph into different shapes? Morphing the world wouldn't really have much effect during a battle with Averian. I'd say spiritual protection, or something along those lines to stop the ability of the Bakkōtō, or at the very least limit it so it isn't as effective. Then there's offensive abilities to. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 08:40, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Sure!
I killed Margin for the emerging of another villain of mine ^_^ and sure.. I want to help in any way i can Lone Black Garuga 01:46, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Juusanseiza
Well, TD5 - That should in all honesty be up to you now shouldn't it? It would make sense to give him a position as a former member, feel free to edit it (You've allready taken your liberties after all :) ) - though I'd like to ask for the reason he defected, as that helps adding plot. Who knows, perhaps they'd want to track him down and silence him in the future?

Hmm.. quite the grand assortment of Criminal Organisations we'll get now, that's abit bad. Oh well, I think it'd be much more plausible that he was a former member, and one of the first members to join Juusanseiza, who knows, perhaps he was even the original founder? But because of the fact that Haru's not fully sane the other members otracized him from the position as being unfit, this could create some tension between him and them.

Oh well, back to Haru's organisation, I've always thought that any organisation Haru makes is doomed to fail given that while he's brilliant, his mind is as you've said yourself on a number of occassion a total and utter mess: Therefore, while he's unable to create his own organisation, I think it'd be quite plausible of him to have several highly devoted underlings. In a similiar manner to Orochimaru and his Sound Five (Not to forget the other wide assortments of underlings he had).

Well, I personally think that roleplaying a character with inteligence that is higher than that of Aizen to be impossible, as nothing Haru has done to this point has even come remotely close to what Aizen did, and even though he has a vast intellect - the inteligence of a character very much depends on the user behind him or her in question.

And I've noticed that you've actually based Haru on Sensui from Yu Yu Hakusho, the similarity is astounding - though as far as I know, Sensui only had 7/9 personalities, and he too, watched a movie called the Black Chapter which completely destroyed his mentality (Much akin to the Screams of Silence that Haru watched). And well, I compare characters to Naruto characters based on what I see and hear of them, and by that I deduce that he has a good deal of similarities with Orochimaru :)

Done, I've added him on the new sub-section "Former Members" - as well as the reason for his defection. Feel free to add to it if you please, though I'll attempt to correct the grammary afterwards - no offense, by the way. But I'll do my utmost to make sure your point gets trough :)

Well, the Triumvirate are the leaders of the Jūsanseiza. Meaning that there aren't a single leader, but three of them. Those three would all be more powerful than the other members, and given the fact that most of the current Jūsanseiza members are comparable to the current Haru in sheer power, those three would indeed be more powerful than him.

As for the Triumvirate belonging to the Ring of One, that is not actually a necessity. Most of the members are 800+ years of age - and those are incredibly powerful combatants in their own right. Miyata for example was only a Marshall of the Ring of Two at the time of his defection, though at the current time, he's stronger than most of the Ring of One, only excluding the Supreme Commander. This also holds true for most others of the Jūsanseiza members. The Rings they once belonged to very rarely can work to compare their power.

Well, pretty much everyone whom have been with the Jūsanseiza for a long time would be much aware of Haru, story-wise Jūsanseiza would've been created around 800+ years ago, and from there Haru would probably have lead the organisation for abit longer than a century. So yeah every remotely senior member would know of him, and the oldest of them might even have met him in person.

Njalm2 18:58, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Reaper and the Immortal
Alright, I've updated the fic, took a bit of liberty to write out how Kenshin got there, and a bit of Haru's responses given that I was chasing him. And its your turn. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 19:42, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry bout yesterday, but for some reason I couldnt make any edits. The editing page would load up, but not the actual text editor itself. All I got was a the gray background. But yeah I'm getting your messages, so dont worry about that. I'll be making an update soon. --- 69.136.184.159 17:10, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Ahh sorry to hear that, hopefully your evening will turn out to be much better. If nothing else, you always have tomorrow to look forward too. And Kiyoshi's anger is duly noted. Given that Haru and I just leveled...well...a part of his sanctuary, the very people who loved him and looked to him for guidance, but were...inexplicity killed...yeah I'd be furious too. It doesnt help that Kenshin is showing no remorse for his actions either. Anyways its your go. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 00:25, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, Kenshin has no qualms with using people as shields if the need arises. Though to be honest, Kiyoshi's response didnt exactly instill, a sense of trust in the Shinsengumi member. Anyways, its obvious Kenshin is going to at least attempt to draw Kiyoshi in an unfavorable battle, as he must battle with Kenshin and deal with any spells that..miss their target and hit an unsuspecting building. Just so you know, I am quite good at analyzing people, and in roleplays, I'm very good, at manipulating other characters. When I put master manipulator on a character, I mean it. Although this may not have been the intention or general direction of the Roleplay or where you would have wanted it to head, but at least for this RP, Kenshin is very much the villian. Its not that isnt good, but he's in foreign place, and Kiyoshi did just threaten to destroy Soul Society. Even if it was a bluff, Kenshin's Sezokuteki couldnt properly analyze Kiyoshi, so Kenshin has no way of actually verifying whether or not he'd carry out that threat. And given his rage, he's going to assume the worst, and believes Kiyoshi will start a war regardless. So now he has to fight, whether he wanted to or not. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 02:55, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

...You do realize the ramifications of mass teleportation? Its one thing to teleport a person but an entire population? He'd have to have the cooridinates down precisely or...well, some people are going to end up mushed as they're form is violently torn apart when they appear IN something. Not only would that require some time to pull off, but your in the middle of a battle too. Not to mention where in another city he would put them. That'd be like dumping the entire population of New York City, in Washington DC. There'd be chaos on an unprecedented scale. The infrastructure of the city they were teleported from would crumble, and the citizens would be...god I dont even want to think about what they would do. Even with all of his power, the amount of mental calculations he'd have to do is insurmountable. He's more likely to kill more of them than Kenshin ever could! Well whatever.

Anyways, how would Haru return? I have the key, unless its a fake, in which case, Kenshin's Kinzoku Kuusou, would have picked upon that. If it isnt, Haru doesnt have any other method of returning to the Kyuuten no Souzou, unless you have it that he's figured out some method aside from the key. And if he can do it, then certaintly any other character can. I dont mind you wanting to detail the story, but consistency needs to be considered, if its going to be done right.

And again, I would refrain from having the first king Kaosu save them. I think it would cheapen the experience and make light of the battle Kiyoshi and Kenshin just had. If Kenshin came that close, wouldnt the king have done something from the beginning and ended it right then and there. But he didnt. So why interefere later? We dont need some uber powerful entity to scare Haru away. If anything, the end of the battle should have Kiyoshi and Kenshin being forced to team up to fend off Haru.

Individually they are weaker than Haru but given Kenshin's unique powers, and the powers at Kiyoshi's disposal, they should be able to mount a successful counterattack against him, forcing him to retreat and this way, Kiyoshi and Kenshin can establish a more...neutral or perhaps beneficial professional relationship. As an author...I want to win. My characters may struggle, and I will put them against impossible odds. But they will earn their victories. And losses. But this? This can be a win, even if he has to team up with someone who just tried to kill him. It allows the story to retain its realism, at least in the context of the overall arc. Remember. We dont need to defeat Haru. We just need to hold on long enough, that he realizes that trying to kill either one of us, isnt going to happen.

Given from what I've seen in the bleach series, spiritual energy recovers over the course of the battle. Therefore the longer we fight, the more we recover, and eventually the advantage that Haru had would quickly disappear. So he'll be forced to make a tactical retreat. I think this ending would be far better result. Though it would drastically extend the combat. And you'd basically have to...roleplay two characters. Your thoughts? --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 05:09, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry bout the wait, but its your turn now. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 03:54, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Technically Cosmic Soul would be the more appropiate translation, at least in english. Cosmos is a noun, and calling them Cosmos Souls is..inappropiate in english. Therefore Cosmos is changed to Cosmic; an adjective, to describe the noun (Souls) in relation to it, such as cosmic laws. You dont use a noun to describe or enhance the meaning of another noun. At least in this context. Thats why I use Cosmic Souls whenever referring to your race. Furthermore, since the name has been translated, its often better to use the english translation as often as possible. Its why I rarely use the term "kido" to describe magic. I generally refer to them as destructive or binding magic as opposed to hado and bakudo. Also keep in mind. You need not limit yourself to....a single action...so to speak. This isnt a pokemon battle. I generally take two to three actions per post. So if you wanted to use Sacred Beam, teleport behind me, attack with your weapon, and use a binding spell all in one post. Its fine. Please, do so. Because using basic attacks against Kenshin isnt going to work. He's literally designed to crush opponents who use tactics like that. Its part of the reason why Kenshin was able to push Haru so far. Just remember, when you RP with me, dont be reluctant to take additional actions, but keep it in moderation though. I hope you dont mind, but I edited Kiyoshi, by adding in a title in the infobox, kanji and a translation for his name. I think you'll find it appropiate. You're free to change your action, before I post. If not let me know. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 04:38, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the late post, but a friend stopped by last night. And its your turn. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 20:00, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, Kenshins ability would negate his Dimension Cut. Kenshin's Genzoumetsu doesnt "dispel" magical or supernatural effects, he negates them. In a way its more in line with Orihime's ability to Reject Fate. Although in comparison the two are polar opposites. Kenshin's ability is suited to negate attacks or effects, while Orihime's can negate actual events, but against attacks is about as strong as a decent barrier. When he "cuts" an attack he's literally making it so that it had never happened. His sword "restores" reality to what it was before. It fits with his "truth" motif and it's the reason why he's so skilled in swordsmanship, his entire mode of combat revolves around it. His zanpakutou removes "will" from intereferring with reality. If your attack is a result of your spiritual power, it can be negated. Spiritual Power's first line in its definition is, "is a power aligned with the spiritual sensitivity and willpower of the user." Therefore it is your will enacting a change on the environment. Kenshin's Zanpakutou "removes" that will, thereby restoring reality to what it was before. I think you've misunderstood what his power exactly is, but then again, I'll probably should have explained it better. I'll wait for your response, before i make a post in the RP. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 20:49, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about the late responses, I know you've been real patient with me in this regard, though regarding Kenshin's powers. They only seem overpowered, in reality he actually suffers from a variety of glaring weaknesses. As I said before, dont be reluctant to take multiple actions, such as casting two or three spells, moving, etc. Yes, Kenshin can negate powers, and technically he could negate your dimensional cut. But is that powerful, when Kiyoshi can create more Dimensional Cuts than Kenshin can negate? And thats not taking into consideration any Mystical Powers Kiyoshi uses let alone him launching an attack. Kenshin while powerful in his own right, isnt overpowered. He's still limited to negating powers with just his one sword. After this post, I'll be eating dinner with my folks, so it will be another hour or so before I can post again. Just consider what I've said, and ill try and get back to you as soon as I can. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 00:20, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Twilight, I'm fine with people telling me if my powers are overpowered, in fact I encourage it. But I think you're preconceptions regarding Kenshin are a bit off. Compared to any other Aizen-class character, Kenshin is easily one of the weakest. His Zanpakutou grants him no offensive capabilities or means of exploiting his opponents. Furthermore he isnt an improved race (such as Sozoshin), isnt a Hybrid, doesnt have an inner Hollow or unique sources of energy, and doesnt he have any sort of transformational state to empower him (such as Hollowification, Shinkumyofication or anything-fication). Most of which all Aizen-class character on this site has to one degree, with the rare exception.

Hell he only has mastery in only half of the standard Shinigami techniques and with Hand-to-hand and Kido at Expert level. I've expanded on his assassination techniques and swordsmanship, mainly because aside from some decent skill in Kido, he has no other offensive capabilities. There is simply no way, that he can be considered overpowered. I've just created the illusion that he's more powerful than he seems, which is good. It means that I'm doing a damn good job of roleplaying his mastery as a beguiler, and using his techniques strategically if I can put the pressure on otherwise stronger characters. Thats the point. His Shikai negates their techniques, which in turns makes them panic, as their abilities are negated, so they fall in my pacing which allows me to control the flow of battle. In this case I've done exactly what I needed to do to get under your skin. I see that you modified Philosophy so that it can't be negated, though I wonder if this was done as a counter to Kenshin's ability since, or whether it was apart of your plan all along, given that as far as I know Kenshin is the only one who has such an ability. I would appreciate it if you would have done so after the battle, not during, as thats meta-gaming. Regardless I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, as I said, it could have been something you planned all along anyway, so I can't really judge. Anyway its your go. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 18:06, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

I know of the requirements for philosophy. Only if Kenshin did resonate with Kiyoshi there is always the possiblity he could bypass that. Imagine a circle; this represents Kiyoshi, and arrows moving along this path represent "Philosophy". Kenshin, resonating with Kiyoshi would be akin to drawing another circle, with one of its points connecting with Kiyoshi's. As the philosophy continues to revolve, Kenshin is able to pick up small bits and pieces of it. I figure that when Haru comes to try and kill them, Kenshin would be able to do so. Well so as long as Kiyoshi is using Philosophy and they remain with each others vicinity. It would probably come down to Kiyoshi willingly letting Kenshin do it, given that he's a Cosmos Soul. Anyways, good job, start taking more actions when you fight. Makes the battle far more interesting. And its your go. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 19:55, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, are you going to finish your post? It seemed like you were getting something out when you cut off. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 17:42, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Your go. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 06:17, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Gamemaster
Meh, I don't really care. My interests change daily, so it was no shock that I didn't really participate. Plus, my life has been filled with miscellaneous shit, so I took a leave of absence, if you will. So, no hard feelings here. I don't know if I'll be editing frequently anymore, but I will contribute to BFFW when I can. Ciao~ --- Gamemaster (Rules)  00:16, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nu. I do not like the idea of Philosophy, as well as Reason, to be used as some sort of weapon.  As such, I will respectfully decline. Ciao~ --- Gamemaster  (Rules)  22:29, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Hiroya vs Ryotenbin
Hello Twilight.

Njalm and I have agreed to allow you decision on the winner. Im aware your not so much a fan of this, but...if you would be so kind.Balance is EverythingUser Talk:WanderingShinobi 22:57, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

RE: GF
Well, him releasing all the souls within to fight alongside him would be OP for the simple reason that Haru himself is exceptionally powerful even when its one-on-one. Even if only for ten seconds, the amount of fire-power they would be fit to utilize would be frightening. And that in itself would be fit to destroy almost anyone outright with little hope of defense or evasion. I'd try a different approach, like perhaps he uses the souls to enhance his own physical and spiritual levels? He'd still be an incredibly dangerous and powerful combatant. This is only a suggestion, though dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 13:08, April 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I'll go for a change and give you some traditional Chinese translations instead of the usual Japanese. Here they are:


 * Sǐwáng (死亡, Death)


 * Shēnghuó (生活, Life)


 * Xiāohuǐ (銷毀, Destruction)


 * Chuàngzuò (創作, Creation)


 * Sorry If that isn't what your looking for, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 13:25, April 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Try and supply the kanji next time dude, and it'll make things a lot easier on my end. The loose meaning of Raifutenshu is life owner, while the kanji is this: ライフ 店主. As for destruction, I have no idea for a name, dude. And you already know the Kosmosukihaku to be cosmos soul. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 16:48, April 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Its your idea, so it comes down to you, pal. But I won't be participating, 'cause I've got enough to do with posts on RP's at the minute and the re-organization of the GF's story arcs to consider. And then I've got my own stuff ahead of that to boot. As you can see, I'm busy enough as it is lol. Kenji-Taichō (Talk)  17:17, April 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Pal, I honestly don't know. Your the one who made the power, so you call the shots. Though a zanpakutō usually utilizes spiritual energy to power its attacks. If one utilized philosophy instead, then that would make it something similar to Kamui's reason-utilizing zanpakutō. I'd ask Sei for permission first, just encase. Kenji-Taichō (Talk)  19:07, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations, dude. Kenji-Taichō (Talk)  20:48, April 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not really sure. To save yourself having to make another sub-race, why not create a few low-level Kido spells these priests and guardians could have learned from texts or from past generations? Kido is just spiritual energy used to create various spells, so in theory anyone who is taught could use it. That's my two cents anyway. Kenji-Taichō (Talk)  22:09, April 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Try following the example of what others have done when designing the tables beforehand, dude. See if you can do it yourself first and if you can't, then I'll tell you what you need to do. Just don't save the page when your finished. Check the preview beforehand and make any adjustments and check it again until your happy. In fact, practice it on your profile page and then copy and paste it in. It might seem harsh, dude, but doing the thing yourself is the best way to learn. Kenji-Taichō (Talk)  16:35, April 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Then go to your preferences under your user name and switch to the normal editor. Know how the code on the pages gets all screwed up? The Rich Text Editors the cause. What color you want the first row to be and I'll do it now. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  16:43, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Done. Next time, switch your editing window and at least try it yourself, pal. You won't be fit to rely on me to do this for you forever, right? <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  16:56, April 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Its not that your taking me away from my work, dude. Its just you need to learn these things for yourself so you don't need to ask anyone in the future, and then can help new users. The GF attract a lot of new users, and since you are one of the most active of us, people may ask you for these same favors in the future. Everything I've learned on this wiki have been gotten from observing how others work code. Look at my new signature. I learned that after looking at Jet'ika's signature yesterday. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  17:15, April 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I honestly have no idea what skills your going to implement in Philosophy itself, but since it requires one to accept the four virutes you've mentioned; why not base the zanpakutō around some kind of control in one, or multiple areas of the virutues? Thats about all I've got, dude. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  16:28, April 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Dude, you asked me about a philosophy zanpakuto, not the power itself. I'm aware that it wont be easily accessed by anyone like hollow powers are. You asked me what type of power a philosphy zanpakuto would use, and I gave you my opinion. But to be honest, you've described even a partial manifestation to be difficult and time consuming to achieve, so the person wielding the zanpakuto would need to be exceptionally old just to use their Shikai, you know? <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  16:47, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not being rude or anything, but you'd know more about a Philosophy zanpakutō than I would, 'cause only you know the full scope of Philosophy's strength as your the creator, pal. I can't really make a judgment on anything unless I knew the full ins and outs of Philosophy and how it applies to a zanpakutō, Twilight. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  19:17, April 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Fair enough lol. I can see the description you've given on my talk page working, so I've no problems with the design. If he is made up of Philosophy energy though, wouldn't he have no powers at all? I say that because so far, you've essentially described Philosophy as an amplifier for spiritual energy, so if they're 100% Philosophy energy, they'd have no spiritual energy, right? Or maybe I'm over-thinking things. Anyways, those are just my observations. About the zanpakutō, though. I reckon what you've said could happen pretty easily. Nice work. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  19:43, April 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * I look forward to seeing it, then when its fully finished. I was actually wondering if Jinta Kanō could have an extremely limited access to Philosophy which manifests through his dormant spiritual energy, which would help explain why it gets so powerful when hes incredibly pissed off. I know he's young, thats the reason its extremely limited I'm going for. He wouldn't be a skilled manipulator of it, or even be aware of it to any degree; thinking of it at first only his dormant spiritual energy. That be okay? <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  19:53, April 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * There your ideas, thus the decision of what you do with them comes down to you in the end. I don't mind regardless, pal. If you want some of the newer members to make them up, then by all means. You have my vote of cinfidence :) <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  18:22, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Nice. Some things can only be used properly by the one who created them, though. The ones making them will have to know the ins and outs of the aspect in question. Good luck with that, pal. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  18:33, April 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd post it on the GF's talk page before doing anything else, pal. You know, check and see if the others are interested beforehand. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  18:52, April 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm glad someone has finally asked this to be honest. I'd avoid trying to labelanyone as the leader, pal. We're a group of friends who work together and create articles and story lines. Besides, a GF admin would still need to put the entire community of BFF ahead of the GF, as we are part of the community as well. Talk to Sei about it if you want dude, but I don't see the need to be honest. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  19:11, April 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I can't see this idea getting anywhere to be honest, pal. Any templates the GF have created, I've fixed along the line somewhere, and since the usual ones are maintained by the admins we wouldn't be needed. I'm flattered that you reckon I should be the GF's head admin, but to be honest dude, I can't see it happening lol. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  19:27, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Ability
Allright, I can't really give you a review about a single ability, but I can speak my opinion about it; the abillity itself is fine, its not overly powerful, but powerful enough for it to be useful. I don't quite see the reason you want to add one such ability, it doesn't flow with his Zanpakuto, you should always strive to avoid unrelated abilities in a Zanpakuto. Adding abilities on a whim without careful planning is always pretty bad: Not to mention that Haru is plenty strong as he is.

Njalm2 13:49, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Philosophy Zanpakutō
I don't see any harm with it. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 19:08, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Kei Yume
Hey Twilight. I've done a bit of work on Kei Yume and I was wondering if you can read it and tell me what you think. Thanks! Cheers!
 * P.S. I have three votes for Gravity Force now. All thats left is the RP lol.
 * About that, I've been meaning to write about his abilties, among the other things. But I have been getting distracted with other duties. In the meantime, I'll be updating him and will show you the fruits of my labors. Haha. Cheers!

Hiroya & Philosophy
Alright, I've decided to take you up on your offer and have Hiroya use a form of Philosophy, the state of manifestation it is in would be up to you to decide. I've also thought that the Sacred Spells might make use of Philosophy as opposed to ordinary Spiritual Energy, given their effects - most likely though, his use of Philosophy would be quite great in skill, but he'd use it without knowing what it is. As he's subconciously accepted the four principles. Ahh.. It'd likely be something along the lines of Kishi no Metsu, though as far as I am aware, Kishimetsu could work as well. Japanese is quite odd in that regard.
 * Well, I chose to limit it - I'm well aware that Philosophy doesn't do that on his own but Hiroya has no control over it conciously, and thus his Spiritual Energy is messed up in such a way that he's incapable of releasing his Bankai, his Spiritual Levels have after all increased drastically when he is unded the effect of Philosophy, the fact that he does so unconciously means that when he tries to release his Zanpakuto he subconciously releases too much Reiryoku and thus overloads it, which naturally disrupts its release. I did this to account for the many imbalances that comes with having Philosophy.
 * I think that you've created more than enough races, and I find the need of another specie whom only use Philosophy to be very low - you've already stated that all humans & Spiritual Creatures are capable of using it, and I think it'd be much better if it stayed an ambigeous theme. If you started to create a race whom all used Philosophy then the concept itself would lose most of its intrigue and point of interest.

Njalm2 22:09, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Zanpakutō List
Yes, it sounds rather practical the way you described it. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 20:44, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

The Start of War
Alright, here's the translation. By the way, when I do get translations, often times, I use synonyms to find the translation that I want, then insert the actual word I want to use. Sometimes you wont find the exact words when doing the translations but English is such an interesting language given that we have....dozens of words that essentially mean the same thing. Anyways, where's what I've got so far. I decided to provide three different translations for the word, followed by the phrase.

Satori (悟り, lit. "Understanding" or "Comprehension" or "Buddhist Enlightenment")

Kyoukan (教官, lit. "Teacher" or "Instructor" or "Professor")

Satori no Kyoukan (悟りの教官, lit. "Teacher of Understanding" or "Instructor of Comprehension" or "Professor of Enlightenment")

I'll be posting shortly. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 19:06, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Your go. And try to add more...descriptive words when describing your characters actions. Using flowerly wording when describing your actions can go a long way into making your guy look badass. Kiyoshi's an Aizen-class character, so when he attacks, it shouldnt be a simple swing. The air should scream, the earth should quake and hell the very forces of nature should tremble when he does something. Only problem is keeping it original. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 20:53, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

And your go. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 02:33, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh that is rich! I can't believe that worked! Master Beguiler at his finest. I hope you werent actually mad. Kenshin does have the ability to get under people's skin. But Kiyoshi's anger was something that Kenshin was trying to exploit throughout the battle, which in the end worked out for him. He completed his objective (acquiring the latchkey and returning safely). But anyways, good game. To be honest, it taught me a lot about my character, and where I can take him. His abilities just have so much story potential. Thanks again, I hope to RP soon. Though I'll probably be using a different character. After this other RP The Swan and the Hunter, I'll be letting Kenshin sit back for awhile until I can get his Bankai up and running. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 04:50, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Kenshin isn't hard to RP with, but he can get under people's skin and I can see that I did so, perhaps even too well. I've already gone out of my to explain Kenshin's most critical weaknesses, and its odd that you didnt take advantage of it. I expected Kiyoshi to generally sit back and assault Kenshin from afar with his Mystical Power magic, until I could get close enough and attack. But it seems you let personal feelings get in the way for whatever reason.

I assume you've read through his character bio. Kenshin is ruthless, willing to cut down anyone or anything that gets in his path. And another thing is that Kenshin is a manipulator and beguiler. That means he's going to do whatever it takes to get a rise out of his opponent, and get them to make stupid mistakes and decisions. Also Kiyoshi went out of his way, going very far from his supposed "polite, calm and soft-spoken" persona you mention in his personality, to verbally attack Kenshin at every opportunity he got, gloat about his superiority, then show off his abilities just to show how powerful he was. This wasnt very different from how you roleplayed with Haru, though for him, it was somewhat understandable.

So while roleplaying with Kenshin, I devised a method to dealing with Kiyoshi's verbal attacks. Dismiss them entirely and then take pot shots at Kiyoshi's own abilities. It doesnt help that Kenshin's main form of attack is negating his opponents supernatural attacks. And thats exactly what I did. Strategy, and manipulation is what he does, and I wont make excuses for doing that.

Which was precisly the reason he kept telling Kiyoshi off. I knew, and subsequently he as a the character would also know that such verbal attacks would greatly upset the King. It wasn't a personal attack or anything, but its just how Kenshin is. Hell even in the RP the Swan and the Hunter, I go out of my way to insult my own ally.

I think the main difference is that while roleplaying, you put on the "mask" of your character and roleplay from there. Were this...dungeons and dragons I would do the same, but in a setting like this, that isnt the case for me. We are writing fiction, a story. A story for all parties to enjoy, and to do that, I dont get behind the mask of my character which creates a form of bias. I write the story from an author's perspective and decided based on his personality how would he react and go from there. So no, I dont put personal feelings into my characters.

To that end, I have to ensure that my opponents actions are taken into proper consideration. I add descriptive writing to enhance the mood, and in every single post I've made, I have always, responded to every one of my opponents attacks and movements, and expanded on them. This isnt a dick measuring contest, its about writing stories. I cant tell people how to RP, so the best thing one can do is lead by example. I roleplay in a fashion that lets them know that, yes I WILL take your characters powers and abilities into consideration, and will write out appropiate responses to your attacks. A few things I've noticed in a lot of RP's, is that opponents tend to dismiss the other attacks farely casually. Here's an example, from our latest RP, "Kiyoshi using his teleportation barely gets away." I felt kinda angry that you would so easily dismiss my attacks with just a single line.

In another RP with Firegod00, he wrote for his character that my own was thrown with a flick of the wrist due to the power her transformation. I wrote THREE paragraphs, describing that result, and my characters own state of mind. Why did I do that? Because while my characters themselves might insult or belittle anothers characters. I as the author demonstrate my respect for them and their character, by taking the time to write out these kind of responses. And I did the same for Kiyoshi in every post.

As for claiming to "win", we as authors both know it was a draw in terms of the conclusion of the match itself. But objectiely Kenshin acquired a victory because he completed his objectives, and he went out of his way to say it. You didnt, at least in his mind. Kenshin tracked down Haru, obtained the latchkey, prevented a war with Soul Society, and was able to return home safely. That's a victory as far as he's concerned. Kiyoshi's loss is represented in the destruction of his city and the lives of the citizens Kenshin and Haru destroyed, and then he was unable to get due justice in revenge on Kenshin nor Haru. Kiyoshi will have to deal with the aftermath and knowledge that he couldnt gain retribution for his people. That is a loss. You gained nothing from the fight, but lost everything. That remark about winning was Kenshin's final jab at the King, and throwing salt into an open wound. In that moment, Kenshin made it clear that his objective was to retreat with the latchkey intact. Fighting Kiyoshi was just an obstacle.

I would like to RP in the future, but I also hope that you will grow as a roleplayer and really take what I said to heart. I'm not trying to make fun of people or the way they RP, but I think a lot more fun could be had, if we adopted additional customs and focused more on the story aspect than just writing about how cool our characters are. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 17:27, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Well for one, I never proclaimed Kenshin as a good guy. Ever. You assumed he was, because he's working for Soul Society. In fact I went out of my way to illustrate that Kenshin didnt even care about the concepts of "good" and "evil" in not one but TWO rps. He did say that he didnt care if a hundred innocent lives were lost, he was going to complete his objective. As for Kiyoshi's anger. Its fine for a character to get angry, but there are different methods to demonstrate that anger. If your character is renown for being calm and collected, than when such a character gets angry, its not like a wildfire, where they're fury is manifested like a chaotic storm of shouting and insults. Its a cold fury. They dont raise their voices, but when they speak you know damn well, that you're about to get F'ed up. As for one of the Triumvirate, I dont know. You DO have Haru, and was affiliated with them to begin with. It all depends on what plans you have for Haru. Will he be an enemy or ally of the organization? Either way, you sorta already have such a character built. Is there another vote going on? Cause I'd like to wait and see if any others would like the chance to do so. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 17:53, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm? Well thanks but it might not be necessary. I did plan on making her powerful, exceptionally so, and I did devise some future, but interesting story arcs for her personally. She's going to have a rather...interesting reason why she wants to overthrow Soul Society. That and I plan to create an article detaling her history, because she's going to have one with Yamamoto Genryuusai, pre creation of Soul Society that is. Who knows it could be collaborate effort since no one's done anything like it before. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 18:31, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Probably not out of respect, remember she IS a 9000 year old entity. She's seen countless "Haru's" and similar organizations in her time. No it definately wouldnt be out of respect. But as the old saying goes, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." Iwanaga would do so primarily as a means of keeping Haru in check (as in keeping an eye out for him and making sure he doesnt interefere with their plans).
 * Shisaiteiou (四裁定王, lit. "Four Ruling Kings"), and good luck with the race. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 20:55, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

As for the "Screams of Silence" driving Kenshin mad, I dont think that would happen. Recall that his unique powers basically cause him to read the memories of basically everyone within the vicinity. For a being thats lived for over 500 years. And having "read" the memories of perhaps thousands of people, each of whom has lived for like...100 years at least each. He would already have acquired over 100,000 years worth of memories. Something like that...wouldnt do much if anything at all. Kenshin would be the only able to hold this object without losing himself, now that I think about it. Hmm this is what I meant by Kenshin's powers being "unique". They can cause him to react differently to circumstances, events, etc than most others, and its interesting to think about the hows and whys. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 21:53, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Well to elaborate more on their relationship between Iwanaga and Haru, it would be...akin to a game of sorts. Both are very intelligent individuals, so in my opinion, Iwanaga might feign keeping in contact out of respect but both are aware of the farce. Haru responds in kind, though both are just trying to use one another as much as possible and they both know it. They're both manipulators and in an honest world, would rather not have each other as enemies. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 22:10, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

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hey man, look i'm sorry about what happened before so how bout we put it behind us and start fresh with an RP? Grizzaka 01:05, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

sorry
it's cuz man, no matter who i face it's always aizen level and i had some other stuff on my mind and I'm sorry but I'm so glad you replied. Grizzaka 02:06, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

And since I added a new part to one of my characters, how about Akio Katsu vs one of your guys? Grizzaka 02:09, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

oh man. :( nvm then . Grizzaka 02:21, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

sorry, i'll check tommorrow promise g2g to sleep. Grizzaka 04:36, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

i see, well good for you, keep up the good work.......--Zaraikou 12:44, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

RE:LaviBookman
You know. :) --れび (talk to Lavi!) 13:27, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Since you're calling it a" philosophy-type," I would think that the power of the zanpakuto would not be combat oriented: rather, it would be a more supportive zanpakuto power. Philosophy on its own does not supply anything right? Therefore, the power could be something like "unlocking" a hidden power/strength/secret. --れび (talk to Lavi!) 13:45, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Howdy
Names names names... Well, Philosophy is known as the pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and self-discipline, so why not work on the defention and get a name from that? Here's my ideas, pal. Jishuku (自粛, Japanese for Self-discipline) or Pasu Chie (パス知恵, Japanese for Path to Wisdom). That's about all I can think about right now, pal. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  19:33, April 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * No worries, Twilight :) <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  20:00, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

I have a name that could work: "Daizentei (大前提, Japanese for "principle")" I hope this helps(: Ciao~ --- <font color="#660066" face="Verdana">Gamemaster  <font color="#660066" face="Verdana">(Rules)  23:46, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Question
If Njalm added something to Hiroya's abilities DURING our Rp, would he be able to use it?Balance is EverythingUser Talk:WanderingShinobi 21:42, April 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, he would not. That is against role-playing rules. --- <font color="#660066" face="Verdana">Gamemaster  <font color="#660066" face="Verdana">(Rules)  23:47, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hey
i got a sweet idea, seeing as how Ray has become very powerful he'll be able to handle anyone so how bout you choose someone who Ray should fight :) Grizzaka 03:36, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

sure sounds good to me, start it off man :) Grizzaka 03:54, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

dude, ur turn and btw you don't have to message me when it's ur turn. Grizzaka 04:04, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

ur turn and the way to find if it's ur turn is to check who edited it their RP you know where it is? Grizzaka 04:11, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

omg, i need to think about it for a second man cuz idk. Grizzaka 19:10, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

sure man go 4 it. :( Grizzaka 19:14, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

no no, sorry the sigh wasn't for you my bad i put that on your talk page by mistake I'm sorry bro. Grizzaka 19:34, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

I'm really sorry man, i don't think you characters are low or your RP skills are weak i swear come on let's continue it's your post now. Grizzaka 19:34, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Alright for that one I apoligize it's was kind of strange because I haven't had that done to me before but I'm sorry i said that it was wrong of me and I should have kept my mouth shut. Grizzaka 19:35, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

I know and I'm sorry man next time i promise to tell you and you can go ahead and do the thing you wanted to do i don't mind. Grizzaka 19:47, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Masanori Kawahiru
Um sure, I think it would be interesting. Considering he's using a philosophy type Zanpakutou, i wonder exactly how it will turn out. I'm adding in Kenshin's Bankai, though its a lot more work since Im using...concepts I've never considered before. So I kinda have to rethink how some of the abilities work each time new information is presented. But good luck on the creation though. I'm trying to finish my RP with Njalm and Jet'ika and my post is taking longer than I thought. I'm hoping to make it an epic finish. But damn is it hard to write it out. Well in the end it'll be worth it. You should consider giving such writing a try. Part of making your character more badass, especially in a story is detailing how they respond to an opponents attacks. It can set the mood, and even the pace of the combat. Just keep that in mind. Your characters will appear much more powerful than they really are. That or demonstrate just how powerful they truly are. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 04:16, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm I think I'd go with Freedom Blessing. Sounds more in line with philosophy given that its not prideful. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 19:14, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Philosophy
Oh, that I already know - its called meta-gaming. Though in this case it would've been much to Ryotenbin's advantage if Hiroya had entered Philosophy.

Njalm2 16:50, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

New Ideas
You could throw together some spells for Philosophy that make use of the power itself, though I'd keep them limited in number since the people who'd actually be able to use Philosophy itself would be limited also. You've written on the article that it boosts spiritual energy regardless, which in itself would boost the strength of Kidō well beyond their usual limits, another reason to limit the number of spells you create. As for the GF Kidō page, you never have to ask permission to edit or add to the Kidō page, pal. Its like the seated officers postion in the Gotei 13. They're open for anyone to edit and add to as long as you don't create something that'd end the world lol. Knock yourself out, pal. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  21:02, April 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Now there's something I've thought about for a while, now. While I like your idea, and could see it happening because of its age and strength, here's my own thoughts. The average body is made up of two different energies, usually. Physical energy which you burn in everday exercise, and spiritual, which Shinigami life on. How about having Philosophy as the third force which makes up a persons energy? Only a thought. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  21:12, April 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * So, technically speaking a human could learn it if they had some means to increase their lifespans long enough to materialize it? Not bad, buddy. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  21:38, April 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * What about a spiritual being who lost all their powers and became a bog-standard human? What would the time be then? <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  21:50, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Speaking of Bounts, I still have to punch mine out... Well, its good to see Philosophy's starting to get used, pal. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  22:15, April 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, its a good power to be able to have access to. I see Hiroya can pull it off too, which'll make him a lot harder to beat if he manages to beat Shinobi. This is gonna get good :) <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  22:30, April 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd probably say Divine Mortal. It emphasis the Cosmos Souls who use it, and shows it as being higher than usual spiritual energy. I also like Freedom Blessing, 'cause Philosophy itself can be learned by anyone, I guess. Go with your personal favorite, pal. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  18:54, April 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I've noticed that, pal. I'm telling you, I'm loving that concept thought. Very nice work, pal. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  19:06, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

cool
good rp bro. Grizzaka 22:51, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Hey!
Uhm hey Td5... I was wondering if we could do an RP about my Jūsanseiza and Haru... like old *friends* meeting up lolXD... hehehe Lone Black Garuga 01:31, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Nice! so... would you like to start it up or should i? Lone Black Garuga 01:40, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Ur go.. Its A Great Day To Meet An Old Friend Lone Black Garuga 02:00, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

RE:Names
Sure, thank you. Also, yeah, I'm still abit under the weather, but hopefully getting better each day. I try not to let it interfere with my adminship duties. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 02:29, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Philosophy
No offense but its a good idea but my guys are fine as they are without it and I don't think you should make any objects unless theres alot more people using it otherwise itll just go to waste. Hope that doesnt come off mean sounding RozeluxeMeitzen 02:46, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I really dint want to come off as mean. I'm jut trying to do a billion things!. I know..to prove it...how about we do a RP? =D lol But yea...I'm liking the ark Idea you have, that way they may be powerful but theres something that can stand up to them anyway =D RozeluxeMeitzen 03:05, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

hey
we added a new member to the team, make sure you say hi to him twi Grizzaka 02:47, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hey
hi how you doin

i am wonder could i have your opinion on some of my characters since you a member of the gravity force. so you should know alot about it should be set up. the characters i would like you to look at is Yoshitsugu,Gaiten,Kiyomasa and Satori of the orocho no hana. you don't have to get it now when ever you get the chance

thank you very much

(Sentonara 03:01, April 18, 2011 (UTC))

RP
Well I plan on using Haruki or Toru so anyone in that range is fine =D RozeluxeMeitzen 05:49, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

I was letting you know who I woulduse so that you would be able to decide accordingly. I don't want it to be like Haruki vs Kiyoshi or Toru vs someone you have of a lower level. This way the match up can be fair =) RozeluxeMeitzen 23:40, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Njalm's Response
Yes, we are - though we do move forwards painfully slowly eitherhow. WanderingShinobi hasn't responded in qutie a while. Try to find it out soon though and you could always ask other roleplayers as well, including ourselves like you did when it came to deciding the result of the Kenji vs Margin match.

Its quite good, in all honesty - its powerful, simple, and well balanced! Good job!!

Sure, a battle between Haru and Miyata is quite viable, I've even asked Illuminate Void to join in. Also, would you remove the three unneeded sections on the "Former Members" thingy, it makes it look quite messy and everything you state there is already stated in the "Reason for Defection" section.

In theory, we can start whenever you'd like to - though Void would probably appreciate it if we waited til he's gone his things in order.

Well, I suppose it'd be possible yes - I'd rather you made it though, which would give us a good intro. And as a note, please don't use Zanpakuto names for the title this time. Given that this is a plot-relevant battle, and not a traditional skirmish.

Njalm2 21:37, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Cosmos Soul Request
Hey, Twilight, would you mind if I created my own Cosmos Soul? I've got a few ideas floating around, and your race certaintly fulfills them. By the way, you havent posted much in the past few days, everything alright? --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 22:27, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well thats good, that you're doing well that is, and thanks. I've also got some ideas, mainly on the composition of Reiryoku, that I've broken up into four subsets that go into detail and explain its nature. Hmm I'll also need to include the fundamental types such as why Shinigami and Hollow's have different spiritual energy. But thanks again, I'll get started on him soon. Hmm, he may not be Kiyoshi's brother but associated with him in some fashion. Anyways gotta head out for a bit. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 22:52, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and part of the reason I'm creating ANOTHER character is the distinct lack of any good guys in my roster. Ryuichi and Kenshin are at best neutral, looking out for their own interests, while the rest of my characters are largely antagonists or evil villians. Mind you, I love the bad guys, but damn, never really considered that most of my cast were evil. Although in this character's case I'll be referring to most of his abilities with a distinct chinese theme, given the era he was at least largely present for. Where I'll go with this guy is up in the air though. When your evil, its comparatively easy to scheme and set things in motions. Good guys from my experience are largely....reactionary in that regard. They respond to threats. So it will be a work in progress. Hmm unless he starts going out of his way to wipe out "evil" then that might change things a bit. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 00:48, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm actually, I think I will make him a brother of Kiyoshi. Create some sibling rivalry and it would give you a chance to use your character more often as well, aside from combat, there can be some good roleplaying opportunity there. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 14:22, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Well, for Iwanaga, I dont intend for her to fight anytime soon. She is more of a...story character at the moment, and wont be combat ready for quite some time. However were I to use Tsuchimikado...thats a different story. Njalm, has suggested that the renown tag-team duo of Miyata and Tsuchimikado go head to head against your Haru. I'm not completely finished but I do have enough info to do a battle. I plan on adding a few Onmyodo spells today, so I'll be doing that too, along with finishing Iwanaga's personality. I'll have more time later this evening to make updates, in the meantime I need to get ready. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 21:02, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Translation Request:


 * Senjungami (仙純神, lit. "Immortal Untainted God")

Actually, tell me a bit more about the Royal Family for the Cosmos Souls. Aside from Kiyoshi, there isnt much information on them that you've detailed. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 17:29, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Tougenkyou Zenaku no Kajitsu (桃源郷善悪の果実, lit. "Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil") --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 04:06, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Reishi Creation & Manipulation to form physical objects such as weapons, etc. His greatest ability will be the construction of imperial buildings and whatnot given an hour or so. Honestly I was just going to use the standard abilities and go from there. Zanpakutou are basically free reign to possess nearly any supernatural ability I want, in addition to their mystical powers which could work like miracles. He'll be powerful but in many ways not in the obvious way. Kinda like how Kenshin was. However I've got to finish my other two characters first before I go into real detail with a third. And sorry for the delay, but I'm doing the finishing touches up on Tsuchimikado before I do any Roleplay's with him. I'd like to have some unique abilities already hammered out before doing anything, especially fighting Haru, in which case I KNOW I'll need some tricks up my sleeve. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 20:34, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Well he CAN create things from his mind, he'd just have to do it piece by piece. Like I said, given an hour or two he can construct quite a bit of things. Consider the human conciousness and our dreamworlds. Our subconcious builds the world around us from literally scratch. A six-thousand year old being would be more than capable of tapping into that kind of potential.

And Im afraid I dont understand what you mean by use of OP. I have a Zanpakutou which is more in line with an Arrancar's Zanpakutou since no inner spirit exists. Hmm, thats something you should expand on, as of right now, there is no clear indication of what exactly its purpose is.

And yes I know mystical power is just spells, but if they arent unique then why bother mentioning it in the first place? My assumption for the kido arts was they were originally created to deal with the Hollow menace, and thus dubbed "demon arts" way of fighting demons. Either that or they were emulated from demons themselves. In this instance unless clearly stated otherwise, I assume that the mystical powers are inherently magical in nature with no discernable science behind them. Considering i can create reishi, i figure mystical powers would be like...doing the impossible, such as bringing the dead back to life, or things like that. There'd probably be a small number given their power and mostly restricted in use but....

As for him having a chinese theme, yes he does, but check the kanji for his last name. Its the exact same as it is for Kiyoshi. Chuangzou is Souzou in japanese. He has the same name but uses its chinese translation instead of its japanese. And as for his history, I probably wont have him attending the academy. Just keep in mind, that I like to do things differently and for this guy, may have him born as or naturally obtained immortality, just to start. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 21:07, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Dont confuse scope with power. A prime example is Orihime, whose ability has great scope, but she herself is not very powerful. Were I making my own fanon, this is how I would consider the Soul King and the Royal Family. Beings with powers of virtually unlimited scope, but in terms of combat prowess? Very little if any at all. Probably no stronger than Orihime herself in that regard. Sei's stuff is good, but I dont get his conception of the Soul King, doesnt make any sense to me.

According the bleach wiki, Demon Way uses the kanji specifically for Oni (鬼) which means Ogre, and Method (道) to denote Kido. It would be different if they had used Ki (気), as in energy, vigor or spirit, but the use of the kanji oni is unique. Most would use Ma (魔), which when combined with Method translates to witchcraft/sorcery/magic. Traditionally such magic was the domain of evil creatures like demons and whatnot. Thats why I considered that they were developed to combat demons.

Anyways, yes, I can see how their abilities give them more leeway, but like I said. Just cause they can do more, doesnt mean they all have to be super powerful. Kiyoshi is one of the strongest of his kind. And he's no stronger than Aizen is, though Aizen is arguably stronger than him. In comparison the Shinigami Captains have more powerful players than the Cosmos Souls. Its not an insult, but it does seem to balance the race out given their wide reaching powers.

As for achieving immortality, how exactly does that work. You mention it as a power, but neglect to describe the actual nature or the steps taken to attain it. Is it simply quantity? Otherwise, if you dont mind, I'll take my artistic lisence and do something of my own to describe the how's and why's. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 22:11, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'm doing some finishing touches on Iwanaga and Tsuchimikado, hopefully this will be finished by this evening and we can get a start on the RP. I'm taking a bit more time with my Cosmos Soul, but thanks, you can count on me to explain how he did so otherwise. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 19:08, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, the translation you asked is a bit funny, in how it sounds. To get a japanese version that sounded roughly the same, its the same thing, though the wording is in different places. Either way my translation and yours comes out to mean the same thing:

Mugen Seiryoku Shinjoukai (無限勢力心情解, lit. "Release of the Heart, Limitless Divine Power.") - Heart being synonymous with Emotions. You can replace it at your choosing, but it felt like "heart" encompassed more than just emotions, things like conviction, strength of will, and everything about a person.

Alright, I think Tsuchimikado Shikizaki is completed enough that he can be used in an RP. Ive got most of his defensive powers and recon abilities down, so I'll have to rely on normal kido and hand-to-hand in the meantime. But thats just fine. But lets start the RP tomorrow, I want to get some good nights rest in tonight and if I'm up for it, make some last minute touches on these characters. But overall, NOW, I can finally get a start on Longwei. But sure, I suppose that can be his entrance, helping out his brother. ---

Names
I think that both names are fine. You probably just have to explain what each means it relation to the zanpakuto =) RozeluxeMeitzen 16:09, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Out of Curiousty
I only now read that Kiyoshi is Bisexual, rather than Homosexual, and I've come to wonder why you changed it? Any negative feedback, or did you simply not feel comfortable roleplaying with a Homosexual character?

Njalm2 18:10, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

The Final
I'll drop him a line tomorrow at some point, 'cause I'm way too tired to start anything tonight and do it justice, pal. If you don't wanna decide the winner, I'll run the idea past Raze, Void and Koukishi. Whoever gets a two-out-of-three vote wins the round when the actual combat comes to a close. Those three are good judges, and above all else, they'll act fairly. That sound okay to you Twilight? Anyways, how you been, dude? Haven't been seeing too many posts from you lately :P Been a little busy? <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  00:06, April 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nice! I'm supposed to be going on an old fashioned piss up with the mates and catch up a little after getting our school holidays. Can't wait to be honest :) Anyways, nice names. Void got ya the translations, right? I admit, the guys got a good system. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  00:19, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

RE:RP
Sure thing. But what about what and how are we going to do this?
 * I am well versed in the art of RPing as I have done that countless times on my home wiki (Halo Fanon). I take it that you misread what I had meant. What's the story.
 * Its okay. I just don't like to be underestimated. Hmmm. All the other RPs I have partaken in have an overall plot. I guess this will be the one of the first action-orientated or fighting RPs I'll be in. I only have one character sorta in the works, I'll be using him. Since its the weekend, I'll have ample time to add more to his article.
 * I took that message about what an RP is as you thinking that I do not know how to RP. As a matter of fact, I do have the time, whenever actually. I suppose thats how Lelouch was able to conquer the Gods and control them, destroying his father in the process.

Hmm, who did you have in mind? --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 03:36, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I'm game. Do you want to the start the RP? --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 04:05, April 26, 2011 (UTC)