Talk:Gravity Force/Archive I

Updates
Hello all! Raze here! With the first announcement. Please update your Gotei 13 captains and lieutenants. And also please create your HDG characters and update your espada. These characters will be crucial because they each partake in a different aarc in the upcoming G2 storylines. Which take place after The Future Arc. Which should begin after Hit starts us off. RazeOfLight 16:34, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hitsuke's Inactivity
I might not be online from 15th to 28th December since I'll be in Japan and would be exploring the onsens. So if I'm inactive for those few days, forgive me. Though I would reply ASAP to your messages when I come back. And during then, Raz, Fire, Grizz and Kenji will be in charge of my stuff if they want to. 暗い夜 DarkNight (Talk To Me!) 15:33, December 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll happily look after your stuff, dude. You lucky little beggar, though! I'd love to go to Japan and see all the sights and whatnot :) I know ya ain't away yet, but have a good time, Hitsuke. I hope ya enjoy yourself, pal. Kenji Hiroshi 15:49, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Hey!
I just wanted to let everyone know that I made the Captain for the Gotei 13 and my character for Heaven's Dark Guardians. Grizzaka 04:51, December 8, 2010 (UTC) :Nice one, Grizz! I'll hafta get my own HDG guy finished up as well :) Kenji Hiroshi 15:34, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Sei's Challenge
Sei has issued a challenge to GF on an RP, the group going against his Seireitou and Saori. So voice your opinions here. 暗い夜 DarkNight (Talk To Me!) 06:06, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Guys, do we even need a discussion about this? Heck, this is the best challenge we could've been given. I'm in. Kenji Hiroshi 07:21, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Ok. I think we should all give it our all. All of our guys against his two? This should be easy, right? I am the lightning, The rain transformed 19:57, December 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I would like to say good luck on your fight against Seireitou as it will be a fight to remember. Just remember Sei like Ten Edit stalks articles that are involved in an rp with them. Just a word of thumb keep thing in character articles solid throughout the rp to be safe from cheating, not that any of you would do so.-- 楽しい Kiryu's Eternal Eyes.png(talk to Fenix!) 20:06, December 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * No one will cheat. I will personally make sure of that! =) RazeOfLight 20:12, December 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I pretty much freeze editing on powers and abilities when I'm doing an RP, but I get where your coming from :) Oh yeah, welcome to the GF Fenix, it's good to have ya, man. Seireitou Kawahiru is a beast, though. He'll be a hard nut to crack, but it'll be fun tryin'! Kenji Hiroshi 20:14, December 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think we should make a battle plan or something. You know. Also to do with the editing what I think is that one user starts say... Hitsuke and then he asks the next person and then the next and so on.

Kanmuri Taikai reminder
For those that are it please do not forget your matches, I am the lightning, The rain transformed 20:24, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Fusion Rules
I've created the Fusion Technique Raze and I talked about, but we need to outline the rules of its usage to prevent overuse of it during RP's and the like. Since its open to the whole GF, and we've grown a little in the last few weeks lol, we need to limit the amount of characters created through the fusion to prevent it being spammed. If anyone has any suggestions, then please refer to the Talk:Fusion Technique page. Kenji Hiroshi 12:36, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Royal Guard
I was thinking of creating a royal guard after our Gotei 13 is filled with Captains and Lieutenants. What do you guys think? I agree. I think we may have two already maybe 3 it all depends on kenji really. RazeOfLight 06:42, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Finally somewhere we can announce stuff! The idea of royal guards is somethin' you need really imo. We've got all the Captain slots filled and seven Lieutenants to make for our Gotei. Oh yeah, when we discuss something new, could we put it under a new sub-section and we'll discuss that one without gettin' sidetracked by multiple ideas. Kenji Hiroshi 09:45, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm making a bad guy right now and maybe I could add in another project on a Royal Guard Captain. And on the format, we shall follow Sei and Ten's one, alright? And Raze, what did you mean by "we may have two already maybe 3 it all depends on Kenji really"? 暗い夜 DarkNight (Talk To Me!) 14:39, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I just meant that if Kenji adds Jiro and Koichi then we will have 3 becuse I planned on Rei'juro being one of the Royal Guard Members. I just haven't gotten to that part in my RP yet. And follow their format? Bah! I like us doing our own thing rather than following someone else's idea. I know they do great stuff but let us be an eample to others instead of the othr way around. RazeOfLight 15:08, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Problem is that Koichi's kinda missing in action right now. But I've still got two that could make the grade. Jiro Kazuki, as Raze said and Ryouta Hachirou. With Raze's Rei'juro that makes three, and a good start imo. If we made the page and said we needed the slots filled, we'd get them filled in no time. And I'd agree with followin' the format used here for the Royal Guard. Kenji Hiroshi 15:44, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry thats the one that I meant lol. I was thinking one character while thinking another name. I'm prone to doing that as you all should already know but yea. we can probably start up the page now in fact and get things going. Haha I'm glad we're trying to get things so orgaized for G2. Now if only the others would get on more =P RazeOfLight 15:56, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * On second thought, we could do something similar to the format here... but a lil different. Maybe we could change the number of rings, perhaps? Or maybe change their purpose? Maybe they don't have to be previous captains? I dunno... what do you guys think? Lol and this place has become my first priority when I come onto BFF. 暗い夜 DarkNight (Talk To Me!) 16:52, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem, Raze. It happens to us all lol, and we're definitely more organized too :) Different? I like different. And about them having to be ex-Captain? I say ditch that rule and leave it by the wayside. Captains are generally seen as the spine of the SS military, so as long as the Royal Guards are powerful enough to fight a Captain effectively, have knowledge on SS threats and have previous experience in command related roles to warrant the position, then I say some could skip the Captain slot and go right into the Royal Guard without trouble. But what differences you have in mind, Hitsuke? Kenji Hiroshi 18:52, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Like all the above. And I think that ditching that rule is the best. So the requirements would be that they have to defeat a captain, have knowledge on SS threats and have previous experience in command related roles. And is it me... or is it only Me, You and Raze talking here? Shall I open up a vote or something? 暗い夜 DarkNight (Talk To Me!) 05:25, November 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Looks like it, Hitsuke. Should we wait a bit to see if the others jump in, or just go ahead and get to the vote? Kenji Hiroshi 07:32, November 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * How about this, we open up a vote... which will end at a certain date. And we will count the votes on the day after that date? 暗い夜 DarkNight (Talk To Me!) 13:25, November 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Whats the point of voting? We can just do what we want. this is OUR universe so the rules are as we see fit. imo the voting is pointless is stupid if we ecide it ourselves...its not like its affecting anyone outside of the GF. RazeOfLight 15:04, November 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Open up votes for the members of gravity force to decide. 暗い夜 DarkNight (Talk To Me!) 15:57, November 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well Raze does raise a good point. This only effects our universe, but the voting, imo at least, helps see who's with the idea and who's against it. We aren't gonna agree with each other everytime, right? But the Royal Guard, in this case, isn't that big a deal really. I say keep the voting for story arcs and the like, but since we've started it for this one, then roll with it. Kenji Hiroshi 16:57, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Support

 * 暗い夜 DarkNight (Talk To Me!) 13:25, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Kenji Hiroshi 16:57, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * RazeOfLight 18:28, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I am the lightning, The rain transformed 20:26, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Gen2 Yuengiri Academy
For the Yuengiri, I'm gonna be makin' an Academy to help teach the styles. Maki Zhijun's gonna be one of the Instructors and If Hitsuke's fine with it, Seishi Matayoshi as well. If anyone wants a teaching position, then add your character here :) Kenji Hiroshi 09:45, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

I know of two students. Hmm..do you think we should make a page for the Academy? As in similar to the one made for Shino Academy? That way its an easier reference source for others who want to look at it. RazeOfLight 15:12, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well the individual academy page would be a big help, so nice one Raze. The next thing's location then. I'm thinkin' the Human World, to accommodate everyone. Exiles, Shinigami the lot. Kenji Hiroshi 15:44, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yuengiri Teachers
Here's the list of teachers, so put yours down here.
 * Maki Zhijun
 * Seishi Matayoshi
 * Anna Rosenkrantz

Future Arc
Okay, so I've been thinking that since the places around them are only ruins, maybe they could hide in Seichiku, in case the enemy could find them anywhere? 暗い夜 DarkNight (Talk To Me!) 15:27, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Well we are still meeting up right now so its not like everyone would know to immediately just go there unless one the future versions of our characters were to start finding them and bring everyone together. And its not like the enemy knows w're already there. Well if its going in the direction I think you want to take it then maybe they might lol =P RazeOfLight 15:57, December 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Obviously, not everythins' gonna go as plain and simple as all of 'em fallin' through black holes and then workin' their way toward each other. Some won't even know whose all there, ya know? Since an Arc's gonna be made up of seperate parts, how about everyone involved has a single story each to start, with everybody meetin' up at the start of the second? Makes more sense, 'cause not many of our groups fell through at the same place. What ya think? Kenji Hiroshi 19:17, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Hello Everyone
To all those who read this we're deciding to Add an awesome song to make as our Gravity Force Introduction so if u have a song u want to put on or suggest then put ur song along with ur name and we'll come to a vote during Christmas vacation, voting will end on Dec 21. Grizzaka 04:11, December 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Now that's an interesting one lol. I've got a few, so I'll run them by you all and vote on which one I'll go for later. 1) Who I Am Hates Who've I've Been by Reliant K. 2) Headstrong by Trapt. 3) It Ends Tonight by All American Rejects. 4) Hero by Skillet. I know a few others, but I think that'll do for now lol. Kenji Hiroshi 14:10, December 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1)Sono Saki Ni Wa- Flow, 2) One Day- The Rootless, 3)Fast Foward- MONKEY MAJIK, 4)My Story- The Cherry Cokes 5)Word Of The Voice-Flow....Those are all mine atm. RazeOfLight 16:02, December 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hm...I have a few ideas. 1)Monster by Skillet, 2) Burning in the Skies by Linkin Park, 3) Undying by Demon Hunter. User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 22:31, December 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sounds like fun... 1) Across My Line by Junko Minagawa. 2) Future by Hiro-X 3) Drive Myself by Hiro-X 4) You Got Game by Kimeru 5) Wonderful Days by Prince Of Tennis.... All of those are Prince Of Tennis Openings and Endings lol 暗い夜 DarkNight (Talk To Me!) 08:30, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Raz's Characters

 * Van Satonaka
 * Anna Rosenkrantz
 * Akira Cagali

Grizz's Characters

 * Ray Martinez
 * Aki Katsu

Fire's Character

 * Hayashi Kagekyo

Sadow's Character

 * Kanna Sadow

Crim's Characters

 * Yuzuru Akiraka
 * Kanade Nozomi
 * Reigen Kakyoku

Kenji's Characters

 * Kenji Hiroshi
 * Kusaka Kori
 * Yoshiro Kazuki

Ichikue's Characters

 * Shinnyuu Sasayaki
 * Jaaku Seshoku
 * Ginei Ookami

Kou's Characters

 * Shiki
 * Tsume

Future Arc Reminder
Hey everyone Raze here. Let's not forget about the future arc. Let's knock it out of the park like we do with everything else. Please be as diligent with it as you are with the Sei fight RP. Please and thank you =D RazeOfLight 09:00, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

hey guys
I need some help, listen which is better for Ray's bankai the pic i have on his profile which is edited or the original one oh

I'd say the original, Grizz. Color beats out black and white and day imo lol. Kenji Hiroshi 11:19, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Rejoining
If anyone has a problem with me rejoining GF, speak now. If anyone does have a problem, your case shall be discussed throughly. —TheJokerCards (talk 17:39, December 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * To be honest Kou, I don't see why there should be a problem with you rejoining. In my experience, you've done nothing but help us, and even when ya went on your hiatus you left some of your characters for us to use. Much needed characters, as some were villains. Kenji Hiroshi 17:52, December 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I dont have a problem. As I was the one who granted the permission back in. I mean its not like ou left cause you hated us...just got busy. So it was like a vacation. Not anything bad lol. So you have my support. RazeOfLight 21:42, December 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wait, when did you leave? Also, rejoining just if you take a break from BFF does that mean you are kicked off the GF and have to asked to be let back in or something?Td5 03:04, December 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, what happened Twilight was that Kou removed his name from the members list and then decided to come back; and Raze welcomed him back as did I. So if you decide to take a break, you won't be kicked out or anything, so don't worry lol. Kenji Hiroshi 17:29, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hitsuke's Big Break
Okay, anyone here thinking of me being ridiculous, immature or any sort of stuff just say it here. I need to concentrate on my studies for this year since I have a big exam at the end of the year so I might not be online that much. So for those who think of me as ridiculous or immature, congratulations. And those who don't, sorry if I'm not around. And to Raze: You guys could continue the future arc when I'm not around. I'll just join in at a later part. 暗い夜 DarkNight (Talk To Me!) 13:26, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Guys
Listen i got 2 more Elemental Postions that are open so if anyone is intrested then send me a message Grizzaka 02:04, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Oh nvm, the final spots have been filled Grizzaka 23:52, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hakuda
Hello everyone, I just recently joined and I wanted to present an idea to all members about starting up a Hakuda page that we could contribute techniques to. I figured since a Kido page was already made, why not have a Zanjutsu and Hakuda page started up at some point. My only suggestion to the techniques would that we keep them simple martial art techniques and not energy laced attacks. For instance, Ikkotsu and Sokotsu are just punches, but because of the strength behind the attack is what makes them so deadly. They aren't flashy or anything like that. It's just an idea that I wanted to present to the rest of the group. Let me know what your thoughts are. Thanks! Northstar1012 19:05, January 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm liking this idea. We've got a Kidō page with a lot of spells, so why not Zanjutsu and Hakuda as well? I mean, we can come up with some pretty good and unique skills if we put our minds to it lol, so why not? I say go for it, folks and see what we end up with :) Kenji Hiroshi 19:12, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Valhalla and the Tournament of Greatest Warrior.
Hello, to all of the Gravity Force. I Twilight Despair 5 am making a Tournament that any member of the Gravity Force, can add one character. To know, the requirements of this rp message me if you want to join. The rp will start when, enough members as well as when the Admins Sei and Ten can join in.

P.S. As maker, of the Valhalla Tournament I will not have a fighter in it.Td5 19:26, January 21, 2011 (UTC)/

The tournament i to start Saturday, however unless more people than there will be matches that will have all character fight until there can an even ammount of one on one matches.Td5 20:54, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Due to Twilight having exams, the tournament will be set back until next weekend, folks. Good luck on the exams, dude :) Kenji Hiroshi 18:13, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * All people taking part, place your name and you character's name so I can match up the fighters. If you don't than you lose your place the deadline is Friday 10:00 P.M.Td5 14:59, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Tournament Participants
List your name and the fighter you'll be entering here, so Twilight can get the actual fights drawn. Kenji Hiroshi 16:50, February 9, 2011 (UTC) Kenji-Taichō ~ Kenji Hiroshi

WanderingShinobi- Ryotenbin Shiki

Yuki-chama - Margin Heart

Kamui --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 19:33, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Naishō Kawahiru --- Gamemaster (Rules)  20:28, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Current Match ups

Group 1 Kenji-Taicho with Kenji Hiroshi VS Yuki-chama with Margin.

Group 2 WanderingShinobi VS Kamui Seireitou-shisho.

Now these are subject to change.Td5 19:12, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Tournament will start tomorrow. As I have a real life dance to go to.Td5 20:25, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Hollow Infobox
Here's one I think needs attention. Why isn't there a character infobox for a Hollow? I mean, there are ones for every other character, why not that one? I don't wanna sound like Im complaining and all, and I'd totally make it myself if I knew how, but...is it possible to make one?Balance is EverythingUser Talk:WanderingShinobi 02:04, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Because you can just use the Human infobox, and then just put in Hollow for race. You don't need to make unnessicary templates. --Seireitou-shishō [[File:Seireitou's signature picture.jpg]] (My True Identity 02:25, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Hey
Alright, I have news Squad 5 is without a leader so if anyone wants to make a new captain the choice is urs Grizzaka 22:22, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

To Sei
I have no clue lol. It was fine when I logged off yesterday, and when I look again, the entire page, headings and all, were gone to hell in a hand basket. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 19:44, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * I noticed that yesterday on my cellphone's browser. I thought Wikia was mind-fucking me or something, but then I got my home computer, and saw it the same. Probably someone trolled the talk page or did some mistake in editing. --Seireitou-shishō [[File:Seireitou's signature picture.jpg]] (My True Identity 19:51, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol! You and me both, dude. My eyes near popped when I seen it. Whatever the reason, its fixed now. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 19:56, February 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, you people happen to be lucky I was passing by(dealing with a troublesome user from you wiki on Bleach Wiki). I got curious what all the hubbub was with the constant editing of this page and I know your problem. It is the Rich Text Editor. I am not 100% sure on this but I have seen the same problem over at Bleach Wiki. The RTE is going through some major fixes right now and its causing even more problems. My suggestion to everyone is to go to your preferences and turn it off under the editing tab. It will cause nothing but trouble.--God (Pray)  19:59, February 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've been working with the normal editing window since the wiki changed its look. Some of the other members of The Gravity Force use the RTE, though, so cheers for the heads up, dude. We use this page as our groups announcement page to save hassle, hence the amount of editing lol. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 20:06, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Hello
To all on GF we have an open spot on the Roiyarunaito so if anyone wants to join just post on my talk page and we'll see. Grizzaka 06:11, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

To All GF Members!
Hey Raze here. I just had a proposition for everyone that's a part of the GF. Why don't we extend our reach to the NF as well? I mean its been cleaned up from every character has sharingan from the last time I looked around so its actually fun now. I'm even collaborating with Fenix-sama. So the rest of you should come and join me! Spread the word! =D RozeluxeMeitzen 14:36, March 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, it is good to be back lol. Well, I'd be up for that, but my little brother would obviously help fill in for me at times since he does co-own all my work over on NF :) Good to see your willing to head back over, Raze, though. Guess my little plague of a brother can be good for something every now and then lol. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 18:23, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hahaha Yea. I was inspired. Let him know to hit me up sometime maybe me and him can collaborate on some stuff. I figured it gives me more to do now since im on spring break lol. RozeluxeMeitzen 21:06, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Y'all
If anyone wants to do an RP with me, I'm game Grizzaka 01:29, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

To everyone on GF
I will be doing my own Arc for the time being and if anyone is intrested to be part of it, simply send me a message and I'll see what i can do Grizzaka 01:44, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Collaborative Criminal Organisation
Right, I've always wanted to see a good criminal organisation on this Wiki, while there are many good candidates, there are virtually none whom I concider to be good enough - the reason for this is the fact that these most commonly only have one or two users contribute to such. If we however put our heads together and make a number of characters (one per participating user) we'd be able to douptlessly make one great plot, and one great organisation.

If we follow the much-used but truly ingenious concept of "teams" alot of fun and such would be for us to dicuss and find out how exactly which characters would fit partnered with whom, and to why they would complement each others abilities. Teamwork roleplays would also be a possiblity as opposed to one mighty bad guy against a small platoon of good guys, instead we'd get a group of mighty bad guys (2-3 perhaps?) against a larger platoon of good guys, with the possibility of incorporating dramatic plots, betrayal, etc more clearly.

Another excellent advantage to this is that since each of us would focus on only ONE villain, and develop his/her abilities to the best of our abilities all of the members would likely be of excellent quality, as opposed to the usual one, two and in rare cases three good characters in the other organizations.

Please leave comments and such below, I'm curious as to how this is received.

Njalm2 16:10, March 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * You've touched on a subject myself and Raze have discussed before, dude which is good to see. Our basic idea was to have an organization around the lines of Organization 13 from the Kingdom Hearts series to serve as an opposite to the Gotei 13; though the main point of it was to use our main antagonists as the members, thus creating one large and massively powerful group, though thats a little different from what you've proposed. Its main purpose was to draw our villains together and give them a common goal, thus drawing our protagonists together to combat them. Anyways, moving on.
 * I like the idea and would contribute myself no problem. I'm very guilty of over-focusing on my good guys, which often leaves my villains hanging out to dry, so to speak. This is true with my main antagonist and most of his followers; so focusing on only one character is def. a good idea. Lets see what the others have to think, 'cause I reckon this has plenty of potential as an idea. Nice one, Njalm! Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 20:35, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm happy that you like this! I was abit worried at first due to you having created the Imawashi and all (though I do believe that those are mainly for your own plot purposes) - I had the idea of instead of opposing them to the Gotei 13, what about making the members former High Marshalls/Marshalls of the Royal Guard whom have gone Rogue? Those people should easily equal Aizen-Class in power.
 * And perhaps their goal could be similiar to Aizen, perhaps wanting to overthrow/assassinate the Royal Family? They could also wish to attain power by "Absorbing" the energy of some of the most powerful Artifacts that exist within the Gravity Force? Such as Zettaiteki and your very own Legendary Bakkoto.
 * Naturally, every member would need to have "Massive" Ability Roostes, I actually think about - if this goes well to have Hiroya be a member of this organisation, though I think that'd be pretty bad; concidering that they'd need his skills to face them in most cases. I also think that it they shouldn't be permitted to be engaged alone; most likely each of their members would essentially be like Averian, that is at least what would work the best in my opinion.
 * Njalm2 20:54, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well it is a good idea, though there are some points I have some little problems with, and I'll get to them in a minute. Your right that the Imawashii are solely for my own plot devices, and the Legendary Bakkōtō fit into that slot to a lesser degree, so I couldn't have them being absorbed because of plot reasons. Believe me, when all three are assembled, only a fool would absorb them in light of the collective powers they'd grant the user. But I'm getting side-tracked, so I'll get back to topic.
 * Everyone likes assassinating the royal family, though we'd then need to create our own Royal Family so to speak. Having them all at Aizen-level is interesting, but bad in the long run imo. Aizen himself was strong enough to tear through what was basically the entire rooster of Captains, considering the Vizard and their past positions, so there were easily enough high-level combatants present, and yet Aizen still went through them for a short cut. What I'm saying is that if your focusing more on collective team-work, then a weaker level would be more ideal so the teamwork can be highlighted and the persons weaknesses covered by said team-mate. You get what I'm trying to say? Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 21:44, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and I understand, though Aizen is abit special in a sense - of most of the Captains present, and such, very few made use of their Bankai; had they done that, it'd be highly plausible that they had won. Not to mention that Aizen's Zanpakuto is undouptably the most powerful one in the franchise, and had he not made use of it, he would've lost most assuredly. not to mention that the "Aizen-Class" on this wikia are still quite inferior to the original.
 * I do find the last point you made to be quite valid though, but do remember that for them to be truly worthy antagonists, it must be impossible to defeat them on your own, even for Aizen-Class characters like Hiroya, Kenji, Kiyoshi and the additional amounts of Aizen-class characters whom no doupt is in the Gravity Force (Most roleplayers have at the very least one) - Though, I do suppose that if they always fight in pairs of two, and if they truly have a great amount of synergy it'd be possible for them to make for extremely formidable opponents even to large assortments of powerful characters. I've long thought about creating a very powerful Water-Type Zanpakuto, I even have the details in my head allready! If this idea goes well I have an excuse to make it!
 * I do think that they should at least all be Shunsui-Class, it won't do any good if they get pawned by the rest of the Gravity Force - Antagonists ain't antagonists if they're weak, after all. I also think we should start getting more to join this topic . as it is meaningless if only you and I discuss it.
 * And well, I suppose their goal could be worked upon by this community in union, though it no doupt needs to be good and fitting.
 * Njalm2 22:12, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I do find the last point you made to be quite valid though, but do remember that for them to be truly worthy antagonists, it must be impossible to defeat them on your own, even for Aizen-Class characters like Hiroya, Kenji, Kiyoshi and the additional amounts of Aizen-class characters whom no doupt is in the Gravity Force (Most roleplayers have at the very least one) - Though, I do suppose that if they always fight in pairs of two, and if they truly have a great amount of synergy it'd be possible for them to make for extremely formidable opponents even to large assortments of powerful characters. I've long thought about creating a very powerful Water-Type Zanpakuto, I even have the details in my head allready! If this idea goes well I have an excuse to make it!
 * I do think that they should at least all be Shunsui-Class, it won't do any good if they get pawned by the rest of the Gravity Force - Antagonists ain't antagonists if they're weak, after all. I also think we should start getting more to join this topic . as it is meaningless if only you and I discuss it.
 * And well, I suppose their goal could be worked upon by this community in union, though it no doupt needs to be good and fitting.
 * Njalm2 22:12, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * And well, I suppose their goal could be worked upon by this community in union, though it no doupt needs to be good and fitting.
 * Njalm2 22:12, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Njalm2 22:12, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Well I'm not gonna focus on Aizen and the Karakura Battle much beyond the fact that Aizen didn't use his Bankai either, so we really have no idea what he'd be capable of. When I watched the battle, I couldn't help but feel like he was holding back, you know? But, I'd agree that they'd need to be at least Shunsui-Class, saying as how Shunsui is still a level above the average Captain and what a Royal Guardsmen would probably be like in terms of power. Judging by the only Canon example of a Royal Guard it can be assumed that Shunsui would be stronger, considering his powers are described as "stronger than any other. His power is unrivaled by anyone who came before him or anyone since." I'm not arguing that they all need to be Shunsui-Class, 'cause some would undoubtedly be around the level of Aizen and be stronger in certain fields beyonf combat, who the others would naturally follow as an un-official leader of sorts. What I'm trying to say is that weaker members would have an incentive (add a real-life element) to become stronger, since you have said you want them to be of high quality.

But I've noticed that the other members with the exception of you, myself, Raze, Hitsuke, Koukishi and Twilight largely avoid discussing these things on the talk page unless you actually take the time to ask them. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 14:37, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I know, I've asked Twilight to contribute to this discussion as well, and perhaps I should ask the others as well - also, we wouldn't need to create our own Royal Family; we'd only really have to do that if they managed to kill them; which there is no need for them to do, as for the "Senior" more powerful members - we should probably not limit it to only one, perhaps a team of two whom are exceptionally powerful would flow better, heck, even two teams. I don't know.

The main reason for them being Royal Guards would be that Shinigami, in my own opinion flow better as villains, they have two seperate releases, have access to Kidō, the secrets of Soul Society - all that, besides, as one once mentioned on this talk page "We can't keep using the Espada forever": And of course because I enjoy the great amount of detail put into the Royal Guard page, and an anti-thesis to those would be great. --Njalm2 15:00, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

I cannot give much comment on this yet. However, about the sharing of one really powerful character. Beside being good, evil or netural unless we claim parts of the character's power's like Kenji would have swordsmenship, Raze would have Hakuda, Koukishi would have Shunpo, Njalm2 could have Kido, and I could have intellect and related things to write as we want. So unless we could do something like that for a shared powerful evil or good character the only thing we would ever agree on would be that their intellect be 100, if its an open article for everyone to edit.: The Twilight of Your Despair 15:37, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

You've misunderstood what I wrote Twilight, what we discuss is collaborating on a whole Criminal Organisation, where the members of the Gravity Force each make one member. Allowing us to create a really good plot, and a really good organisation with many high-quality members.

Allright, if it ain't too much of a bother, I'll be putting up a vote for this - a Support/Oppose vote, and then we'll just see what happens?

Njalm2 16:09, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Allright, given that this Organisation is likely going to work out, the question naturally arises, what would the name of the organisation be? I have a few suggestions myself, and I'll write those down below, Kanji and everything, feel free to tailor your own names and we'll see whom is received most favorably.

Here are my suggestions!

Chijōnorakuen (地上の楽園, Heaven on Earth)

Sakuseiza (サク星座, Japanese for Last Constellations)

Njalm2 09:17, March 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * I like the Sakuseiza more to be honest. The constellations are a nice allude to what me and Raze where originally planning with the group of 13 members, so I like it more than the other I'm rubbish at coming up with names myself, and since my girl isn't here to offer her brilliant naming services, I can't contribute to that much, dude. Believe me, my naming sucks lol. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 11:01, March 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well then, what about.. Jūsanseiza (じゅうさん星座, Literally meaning Thirteen Constellations)? This would also decide the number of people as well, though I think that the Thirtenth member should be a Support/Scout one. As opposed to the usual notion that he/she needs to be the leader.


 * Oh, thats an idea! So, we've got our organization, now all we need to do is truly punch out its task/goal. If we go with the royal family, then we'll need to create such to make things more believable, and maybe some Kidō-related skills that allow one to enter the royal dimension; though these would naturally be difficult to learn, with few knowing of their existence. Now, here's what I propose. While the main members are the 13... how about Zodiacs for titles? There exists tiers below them, if you will. While the 13 would be the main military strength in terms of power, the lower tiers could be your average canon fodder and grunts, with a few distinct personalities (something like seated officers) to give them a little flair? Hows that? Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 11:32, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Zodiacs are really good titles, fitting as well. And well, the Royal Family could always be made in a similiar style as these, we could even ask Seireitou to inform us of the current Royal Family (He's after all made it so that the Kawahiru clan is technically the Royal Family) Though I won't state exactly what I think about that. And I guess it makes sense if they have agents, like the Imawashī (perhaps the Imawashi themselves are in fact agents?), though I don't think they should have anything equivalent to Lieutenants, as the actual Jūsanseiza shouldn't truly be made like the Gotei 13, there are after all limits just how many powerful individuals you could hide in the Human World.


 * The Imawashī won't be crossing with the GF timeline, 'cause the members are minor and therefor disposable. Hence the reason why I created them purely myself. They serve as Kentaro Hiroshi's first major villains and the first steps he takes to carve his way out of his father's shadow, making them indispensable for part II and III. But I'm not saying the Jūsanseiza need to have a similarity with the Gotei 13. Far from it, in fact. Make them different by all means. I only used the seated officers as an example to try and get my point across, which obviously didn't work lol. You made Boolg as an example of the Bestia-rank of Diabolus, so what I'm saying is just a few generic grunts who aren't simply canon fodder and actually make a few meaningful appearances to help their leaders or carry out other tasks.


 * And why must they be strictly limited to the human world? An organization as strong as the one we're aiming for would naturally wish to spread their influence, particularly in areas where the Gotei 13 and Royal Guard would be hesitant to go - say, Hueco Mundo? Or even the Dangai Precipice World. I'll leave it up to you regarding the Royal Family, though. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 12:32, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course they'd extend to those places as well, and It does make sense giving that the only member at the moment (Miyata) hasn't been sighted since his departure, if they inhabit the Dangai as well, that'd explain their immense abilties as well, some of which are bound to surpass that of even more powerful characters. Also, as for their power - I suggest that we follow the same principle I've used for Hiroya; where his individual stats denote him a Shunsui-Class character; but because of various other aspects of his abilities he's concidered an Aizen-Class character all the same.
 * Njalm2 12:49, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Njalm2 12:49, March 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * That'd be fine, but its easier just to say as much in the trivia section that they're between Shunsui and Aizen-level. I tend to avoid adding numerical stats to my characters because it limits their ability to grow imo, because your constantly adding and altering the figures to suit new information or when you adapt the old. They work extremely well on characters like Seireitou and Kamui, 'cause those two are at the top of their game, but with Kenji, Kentaro and others I own, who still have a lot of development to undergo, they just prove to be a headache lol. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 13:01, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * The only thing, that comes to mind for today is that we shouldn't be making a Royal Family just for the Gravity Force to use. Using generic locations, the Soul Society, Hecuo Mundo, or species like Shinigami or Hollows are completely fine. However, remaking an entire new Royal Family when some if not most of us took part in the Sei and Ten rp months ago. As such, if you used a character then and used him/her for or against this group it will counter conflict with Gen 1 and Gen 2. Just my opinion.: The Twilight of Your Despair 13:57, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Allright, given that Razeluxe wants to use the Satonaka Couple as members, I guess we have to raise the number of members to 14, thus making the organisations name Jūshiseiza or Jūyonseiza - both of which mean the same. (じゅうよん星座, Fourteen Constellations).
 * Njalm2 14:18, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Njalm2 14:18, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Raze and I are going ahead with the organization we had planned regardless, because it plays a central role to both our stories and plots, because it ties everything together nicely, and since he is my primary RP partner, thats an important fact. It won't effect this group in the slightest though, because the group Raze and I were planning on using had Averian, Rei'juro Satonaka, Inai Satonaka and my own Shadōkingu, among others as members; and each of them are our primary antagonists. So there's no need to change the name at all, Njalm. And about the Royal Family. I said I'd leave that up to Njalm, since this group was his idea. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 21:37, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

I believe in creating a collaborative criminal organization, but I don't agree with creating or having the focus be on eliminating members of the Royal Family. The goal itself seems....simple and beyond that doesnt seem to accomplish much beyond antagnonizing the Gotei 13. To be honest, we dont need to create a new royal family. In fact many of the members here dont need to create new villians either. It would be easy to simply....reveal that these villians who are leaders of their own organizations are actually apart of an even greater collaboration with its own unique goals. The organizations under each individual leader are there to further their own personal goals, and keep the heroes "busy" from their real ambitions. I think this would work out better in the long run, since it allows for those like Averian to continue to exist yet be apart of something even more diabolical. However the main concern is what goal/ambitions this organization will have. This is partly why I made it possible for Diabolus to acquire power by obtaining contracts with humans. Gives them an inherent and simple goal to accomplish.

Of course this all depends on the characters everyone contributes. Having them all of one race generally makes it simpler, but it can be done with an organization of varying races. Hmm a real slap on the face would be the creation of a....gate. Similar to the "Gates of Hell" but one used against Soul Society. Trap them in their own dimension!? Hah priceless. It'd give the villians basically free reign to go and conquer the Human World and pick off the remaining heroes. Then when their forces are strong enough, go into Soul Society and destroy them in one fell swoop. Of course this is just one idea. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 00:06, March 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Kenji steps from a Garganta, his blue kimono blowing wildly in the wind around him as he regards a group of individuals with a growing level of annoyance reflected in his crimson eyes. His heart beating a steady rhythm, the black-haired hero hefts Sanmiittai and releases the cruelly shaped hook swords into their Shikai state. As though a trumpet sounding for battle to commence, countless Garganta open revealing The Ryu Order, all with eyes fixed on the individuals straight ahead. "Sorry, but I can't let you waltz around and do as you please. It simply isn't my style, I'm afraid." Kenji muttered, the howling wind carrying his words to the ears of those he'd come to oppose. And with a single strike, peace was restored and the Human World saved! Ignore this lol. I'm only having a laugh :) Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 15:12, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

A possibility would be that their official goal would be to elliminate the Royal Family, but that they can actually have another seperate goal aside from that, which is somewhat more sinister - though I don't have the imagination to find out exactly what, as for having multiple races - I don't think that'd work too well, concidering how the majority if not all of them is meant to be former Royal Guards; also, alot of different races in an organisation is likely going to get really messy, Arrancar and Shinigami for example, would hardly ever work. If characters such as Dorothy would be a part of the organisation it'd likely upset its balance. Also, Kenji and Raze of light is making some sort of "Villains Collective" which means that this organisation should be somewhat different. Njalm2 08:37, March 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * @ Njalm. You seem to be leaning more towards a unified group of similar racial standing (Shinigami, perhaps Vizard), so that in itself would make this group of yours different from the one Raze and myself have been planning for ages now. Our groups goals are as varied as the races that make up its number, so there won't be a problem with clashing goals, or something like that occurring. I'll ensure that there isn't, 'cause one thing the GF seriously lacks are a unified group of villains with an agenda. We have our own villains which effect our own individual arcs and stories who may have a group behind them, or even an army, but the only real groups we have are the usual ones. Gotei 13 (Gravity Force), Royal Guard (Gravity Force), Heaven's Dark Guardians and the Coelen Capitaliter (I don't think they're evil) are all examples of good-guy organizations. Notice the lack of an evil one? Hopefully, these two groups can get some brain juices flowing for some interesting and dynamic story arcs in the future. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 15:20, March 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * P.S. I forgot about the Espada (Gravity Force) lol. But you see where I'm coming from, though. Def. need more villain groups. Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 15:27, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well yes, thats my point exactly - I should most likely just create the group itself soon - and then GF members can add characters like they please - and if we don't manage to fill all spots we could always offer those free spots to someone else whom may be outside of the GF but whom we roleplay with. Besides, it'd be much better if we took the talk there, on the Jūsanseiza's own talk page, as opposed to here. I also think it would be grand if we all made new characters for this group, as that'd allow us to easily create their abilities in conjunction with one another - and thus make synergy more of a viable option. The discussion about whom would be the leader is also something we can take on the talk page. But before this, there's something we need to find out. Namely the groups purpose - I have a few suggestions myself.
 * 1) Overthrowing Soul Society: This was the base idea, that they pretty much desire to overthrow the Royal Family for their own purposes; such as plunging Soul Society into chaos (and by extension halten their influence in the actual world), another possibility could also be that they'd attempt to exterminate the Royal Guard, leaving the Royal Family defenseless in the future.
 * 2) Another possibility yet, is that they see Soul Society as something tainted and corrupt (a good deal of the members likely defected due to personal reasons, or perhaps they were even banished) and thus they seek to correct that, by overthrowing the Gotei 13 they'd seek to make right what they deem is wrong, by force. This would naturally put them at edge with the "Good Guys" at some point, as those would be more likely to take arms against them for that. Soul Society would also very likely ask groups like The Ryu Order for help here, given their closer proximity - it'd even be possible for Jusanseiza to attempt to conquer a part of Hueco Mundo for themselves, which would put them at odds against some of the Espada characters as well. Perhaps leading so far as Shinigami and Espada temporarily initiating an alliance to fight against them for shared benefits?

Support

 * Njalm2 20:48, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Kenji-Taichō (Talk) 20:59, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * I only support this, it doesn't mean that I will or won't be using my old characters, however I could make new character for this. Regardless you have my support vote.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:52, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Northstar1012 02:53, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Illuminate Void (Talk) 21:59, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * User:Firegod00 (Say your prayers) 23:17, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I need to make new characters for this,I would love to be Involved in this. You've got my support!ShinobiOfDeath 13:11, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Grizzaka
 * Full support! Lone Black Garuga 02:42, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Great Idea. I am the lightning, The rain transformed 19:37, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose
I support...I just like being difficult. And I haven't been on here in along time since it wouldnt load on my com! BOOOOOO!!!. But yea. this sounds like a good idea. Me and Kenji have been in the process of doing this since forever! ...And if its not a problem I already got my two man team made...=P RozeluxeMeitzen 05:59, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Um
Well if there's any space for any other members, maybe i could be part of it? unless u already have too much people in which case i'll understand. Grizzaka 00:23, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

...
anyone wants to RP i'll be waiting :( Grizzaka 00:32, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Dear Gravity Force
Dear Gravity Force, it seems we are currently electing our new list of Admins and kicking out the old no-longer active Admins. Since we are a community, I think it would be effective If you all voted as well. Like I said, we are a community and our decisions should be as a community ^^ (Bleach Fan Fiction Wiki:Election 2011) --Hohenheim of Light 00:48, April 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Cheers for the heads up, pal :) Here's a link to the article in question, folks. Kenji-Taichō (Talk)  10:43, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Unofficial Admins
Twilight Despair sent a message to me regarding "making their own Admins" for Gravity Force, so I'm still unclear if this is straight from him, or the opinion of the entire GF. Please keep this in mind as you read ahead. Since his request pertains to you all, my reply will be written here.

I do not acknowledge the Gravity Force as some separatist group, meaning that outside of the RPing, I see you all as merely a categorization of users on BFF. This means that you are under the jurisdiction that users who aren't admins or even members of GF are under as well, and have no need for unofficial admins. Also, doing such things would make GF come off as some "special club" on BFF, which ends up hindering unity of members on the wikia. Again, I'm not sure if this is his idea, or the group's idea, but regardless, I'm turning it down. I don't want the rumor of joining GF puts you under a completely different criteria for behavior and overall performance on the wikia to be spread, because this will cause tension between existing users and new-comers, and eventually cause the wikia itself to take sides, something we as a wikia who desires unity isn't too keen to have happen. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 00:34, April 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Boy, is that a load of my mind :) This was Twilight's own idea, Sei as far as I know. He asked for my opinion on it by starting it out with a "GF leader" which moved to this unofficial admin thing, and I said it wasn't needed, as we're still part of the same community. Thus, subject to the same rules and regulations as every member on this wiki are. Believe me, the GF are a simple group who work together for RP's, story-lines, characters and ocassionaly argue lol. I think you can consider this resolved Sei, as I myself don't want the GF to become what you've described above. Tension between three or four users is bad enough, let alone the whole community. Kenji-Taichō (Talk)  10:32, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Descend Into The Future Arc
Okay! So I'm back everyone! If anyone still checks this page lol. Anyway, So... who's gonna keep the ball rolling for the arc. I see no one has did it since I left =.= 暗い夜 DarkNight (Talk To Me!) 08:41, April 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * And its good to have ya back, Hitsuke. Anyways, we didn't edit or add anything to it because the arc was originally your idea, and with your hiatus and all, we weren't sure which direction you wanted to take the arc in. Kenji-Taichō (Talk)  08:49, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Whew! Its good to have you back pal! And I'm happy I'm able to get on the website again...for some reason it works some days then other days it doesnt lol. Oh well. But yea...Just let us all know which way to take the story pal =D RozeluxeMeitzen 01:29, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

I Quit
I quit the Gravity Force farewell.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:54, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

As well any articles I create such as locations, techniques, or species are't property of the Gravity Force anymore.: The Twilight of Your Despair 00:01, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Why would you go ahead and quit so suddenly? Njalm2 08:22, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

To Raz, Yuki, Fire, and Hit
I have made this to remind me of what we had a long time ago, idc what anyone says about it. Vision of Memories Grizzaka 03:45, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

^_^ brings back the old-goodie time Grizz... Nice of you to put something like that up Lone Black Garuga 12:20, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Hell and Alchemy
Hey guys! I was wondering what all of you thought about a hell-type zanpakuto and an alchemy-type zanpakuto. I just wanted to see what you all thought before I went about trying to create either one. =D Raze Kucabara-Dono  Light  20:15, May 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have no problems with the alchemy-based zanpakutō, but I'm confused about the hell-based zanpakutō. How would that work, exactly? If you say you can summon hell, I swear I will shoot you in the foot and spit in your face. >__>
 * Come on Kou you know me better than that lol. The alchemy one well...you can pretty much figure that out. As for Hell...it wouldn't just be like summon then boom you're destroyed (that's an apocalypse type if anything...maybe I should work on that lol). It would more or less revolve around the creation and destruction of bonds such as destroying someone's gentical bond to an ancestor, stripping them of their power (if that makes sense) or maybe different aspects of Hell such as summoning spectres, cerberous, special flames, and other typical evil things haha. Raze Kucabara-Dono  Light  20:56, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

These are both original ideas, Raze; perhaps too original some would argue. I don't see how either of them would work, the Alchemy-Type one could, depending on how you play it out be taken as a crossover attempt of FMA. And the Hell-type. It sounds quite neat when you put it that way, though I too wonder how exactly you'd make that work. Especially concidering how Void, Chrono and myself have constructed Hell in our works, however.. there is a possible idea I have.

Why not create a Zanpakuto whose special power allows it to read the unique energy pattern of Diabolus and their abilities, this allows the weilder to both track and for the Zanpakuto to actually be capable of mimicing their techniques and mystical abilities. Perhaps even make a "Demon Hunter" style character to match the Zanpakuto? The Bankai state could allow him/her to actually enslave Diabolus, and summon them to fight alongside him/her, given that they're weaker of course. Njalm2 21:10, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm that does sound like a good zanapkuto. Though I haven't worked enough with any of the Diabolus to know their full extent. >.< However, the reason I ask about this is that while alchemy is in FMA, that's the not the only thing that uses it...its not as if I will go get Al's page and C/P directly to BFF in any way shape or form. Its for a character based off of Rikku from Final Fantasy X. As for the Hell zanapkuto, well that's for a villian I have and then later use as well once the villian dies. But as for not knowing how it would work...that's what I wanted everyone's input on. I have a few ideas for each but I figure I may need a bit more so that no one think that I'm just attempting a crossover. =P <font color="#0255255" face="Tahoma">Raze <font color="#0191255" face="Tahoma">Kucabara-Dono  <font color="#2550255" face="Tahoma">Light  21:21, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Well, the easiest way to avoid this is to make the Alchemy-Type different enough from FMA so that it won't be seen in too negative a light (There will always be people whom view it negatively, mind you) but still keep on to its base principles, I suggest perhaps making a similiar approach to what you've done with Raze's Crystal abilities, in that you work primarily upon the materials composisition. I've not really put too much thought into such things, given that I prefer to keep to "Classical Bleach", rather than "Original Bleach". Njalm2 21:42, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Ah yes, I see what you mean. Hmm...that is a good thought. Though I got my ideas from Seikon no Qwaser rather than FMA, both revolve around the concept of alchemy but in two different ways to get to the same end result. Hm. Thank you though. This has given me good thing to think about. =D <font color="#0255255" face="Tahoma">Raze <font color="#0191255" face="Tahoma">Kucabara-Dono  <font color="#2550255" face="Tahoma">Light  21:47, May 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Raze, that hell zanpakutō could work as long as your not gonna literally control Hell lol. That'd be awesome in so many ways, I do admit though :P Whats been revealed about the 4th Bleach film so far, is that a Vizard cannot Hollowfy in hell, for reasons unknown as of yet. You could play that into the zanpakutō to counter the growing number of Vizard and Hollow-related articles on this wiki. No Hollow mask, no Hollow powers. No Hollow powers, less strength. I know they'd still have their Shinigami powers, or other racial techniques and abilities, but It'd seal away a great deal of their arsenal. And If your looking a more offensive hell-type, how about some form of corruption, either in bats, flames or simple eye contact that slowly eats away at a foes body or spiritual energy once afflicted? You know, that's actually got me thinking :P <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  14:06, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Reactive but not Rejoined as of now
As the title states, I am re-active as a user but I will not at least yet request to re-join the Gravity Force.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:41, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Hello, I am asking to rejoin the Gravity Force. Under the reasons that several members have used my articles or ideas, such as abilities or species and it isn't fair to makee them come up with new things to replace what is written.: The Twilight of Your Despair 16:46, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Well, as promised you have my vote! :) Njalm2 16:54, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

That one vote now I just need like about everyone else's. Oh joy.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:28, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

I'll vote in support of Twlight coming back. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 20:36, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Well, given that you got Voids vote as well - you only really need one now, there's no additional rules for rejoining, as far as I am aware. Njalm2 21:03, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

If Void votes for ya, you can count on me too. That makes three :) --- <font color="#FFFFFF" face="Comic Sans MS">Twon Junior <font color="#FFFFFF" face="Comic Sans MS">(the Third)  21:05, May 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Although it's probably pointless, I feel that I must say that I do not support Despair's return. Just inserting

my two cents here.

I fail to see what kind of reason you'd have to say something like that, other than to state something negative. So, Koukishi, please refrain from saying unnessecary things like that as it is may hurt someone. Besides, the GF isn't a Nazi organisation for what I know :P Njalm2 21:43, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Well...in actuality Kou kind of raises a point. Joining is one thing, however, TD5 QUIT. Therefore, if someone voices that they may not want him back then we must respect that. The 3 votes only counts for joining, NOT rejoining. In this regard, a majority of the GF must say that they want him back. Just a head's up for everyone. <font color="#0255255" face="Tahoma">Raze <font color="#0191255" face="Tahoma">Kucabara-Dono  <font color="#2550255" face="Tahoma">Light  21:46, May 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Njalm, I was just stating my opinion, as I believed that what Luxe just mentioned was true. Therefore, it wasn't pointless, nor was it just meant to be a negative comment.

'*dances* -- Hohenheim Talk to Me ◕ ‿‿ ◕ 21:54, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, seems like I've misunderstood something then, though I STILL believe that it had been better had Kou simply not said anything, it'd still have proven his point - though I don't really know how this all works, perhaps this situation requires that people say wether or not they oppose or support "Shrugs", who knows, perhaps I'm simply playing the role of "Mother Bear" without reason :P Njalm2 21:59, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

For the love of all that is pure this will clear the air. I was told I needed the majority of the Gf to support or oppose my rejoining. If more members support it that it follows what you said Raze. If not than thats ok too. Now lets end this before it gets bloodier than even last week for the trouble I did with this.

If you support my rejoin great if not than just put oppose you don't have to put a reason unless you want to. Thankyou.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:13, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

I would like Twilight to return to GF. <font color="#9400D3" face="Papyrus">Grizzaka <font color="#9400D3" face="Papyrus">(Talk)  22:58, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Twilight-kun! U have my support in re-joining ^_^ I don't see why not afterall... Lone Black Garuga 23:05, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

You got my support pal. --- <font color="#FFFFFF" face="Comic Sans MS">Twon Junior <font color="#FFFFFF" face="Comic Sans MS">(the Third)  20:59, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Members and RTE
Okay, first thing I wanted to ask is the number of members of Gravity Force. I feel as if Sadow-sama, Ichikue and Knighty (CrimsonKnight) have been inactive for too long to be considered members anymore. That being said, I feel that they should be taken off the lost of members. However, that does not mean that they will have to go through the process of rejoining if they wish to return. They will be treated as I was, allowed to return if they so choose. This is only a suggestion, so I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on it.

And the second reason I made this section is because I want to get the numbers for this. Who uses the Rich Text Editor (RTE)? For those who don't know what the RTE is, it is the default editor that you get when you first join. I use the older editor, but that's because I find it easier to use than the RTE. So, I just want to get some numbers for this.


 * I don't really know about Sadow as I rarely interacted with him but as for ichi and Crim, well Ichi has been active.He has school and so has been coming and going at times. And as for Crim, he has stated that he would be taking a hiatus in order to focus on his life. They have both contributed greatly and the only reason a previous member was kicked out was because he joined and then NEVER contributed or did anything else on the site at all. Just because someone has an absence does not mean they should be kicked out. <font color="#0255255" face="Tahoma">Raze <font color="#0191255" face="Tahoma">Kucabara-Dono  <font color="#2550255" face="Tahoma">Light  18:31, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

I find myself agreeing with Raze on this - the Gravity Force is primarily made out of a group of friends; and friends don't ditch one another that easily. Our little collective is thus rather lenient with this, as I think it should be, moreover, removing those members wouldn't serve any purpose other than to thin our ranks and possibly offend them should they return. Which, given their many contributions would hardly be wise. Njalm2 19:15, May 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Crim and Ichi are fine imo. Crim told us around the time of the Sei/GF bout that he'd be away for quite a bit, and Ichi needed to focus on school as Raze said. I don't know about Sadow, 'cause the only time I've spoken to him was when I asked him if I could make Kurayami a demon. I'll leave the decision up to you guys :P


 * I use the old editor, by the way, Kou. A hell of a lot easier than the Rich text Editor imo. The RTE's been causing a few problems as well, at least according to Godisme, so I tend to avoid it. He's fixed a few problems that were due solely to that, both on here and on other wiki's, while I've done a few fixings myself. Just not worth the hassle, to be honest, when the Old editor's a lot handier. <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  15:21, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Old editor

 * 1) <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō  <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  15:21, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) <font color="FireBrick">Kenji-Taichō  <font color="FireBrick">(Talk)  15:21, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Jet'ika has left us
Alright, Jet'ika has left us and wishes to be removed from the GF rooster. The reason for this is as simple as him having lost interest for the Bleach universe and is thus unable to work effectively on here anymore, while this is very sad he has revoked some of his priveligies whom will be described below.


 * 1) His Quadrumvirate character can be taken off the rooster, and thus the Quadrumvirate can now be reduced to Triumvirate - however, I think it'd be better at this point to simply keep them as the Quadrumvirate, and let someone else fill the vacant spot. Though I'll take this moment state firmly, a Quadrumvirate character is expected to be of top-tier quality so don't nominate yourself unless you're planning on accomplishing that. While this may sound harsh, I deem it to be of great importance.


 * 1) Sosuke Yuhi will also be revoked from the Juusanseiza seat as per the reason of allowing other GF members to make a Juusanseiza character, there's after all no reason for a guy whom have left this wiki to occupy a seat in our organisation whom have a restricted amounts of members is there? Remember that each of the Juusanseiza characters is expected to be of high quality as well, don't simply create a character to fill the spot and then forget about him/her, remember that by making a Zodiac character you occupy a space for other GF members, of which some would be willing to make good work of their character.

Alright, that was that. Despite what I wrote, don't feel disheartened. Quality is technically quite ambigeous a term, and I do by no means inhibit people from trying it out simply because their grammar skills aren't at best, grammar in my eyes, has nothing to do with it.

Njalm2 18:21, May 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * While I'm sorry about Jet'ika's departure from Gravity Force, I wish to use his Hattori Hanzō, since I'd hate for it to go to waste. It would no longer be a Quadrumvirate character, but it could possibly be one of the Zodiacs. So, could you please ask him if I could, Njalm. I ask you as I feel you were the closest to him within this circle of friends.

I was about to post here as well, but this makes it a little more convenient. Firstly, I would like to sincerely apologize to all of you for any inconveniences I might be causing you guys. As Njalm2 mentioned, I just can't seem to bring myself to create stuff related to bleach, ideas that were already in my head seem weird and stupid now and new stuff just doesn't seem to pop up. I will ultimately return to creating stuff here, that I'm sure of as my head just works that way, but it would be unfair to you guys if I made you guys wait for my stuff to reach completion. So I think it would be best if I left the GF and went about making the one or two edits a month that I seem to be capable of right now and when I feel up to it again, slowly go about completing my stories that I had initially planned. For the same reason, that I might some day return to active editing here, I will be holding on to my characters and other articles for now. Once more my sincerest apologies. Cheers! --  <font color="#ABB">JЄT <font color="#ABB">^ <font color="#ABB">ΙΚΛ  06:22, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

Jet
Now that Jet is gone, not saying I knew him or anything but can I have Ryu Kagami since Jet has lost interest and since its not even finished I might as well take him. I posted this here to ask if anyone has any objections are any legit reasons I can't do this if so then speak up or I'll take this character K. --- <font color="#FFFFFF" face="Comic Sans MS">Twon Junior <font color="#FFFFFF" face="Comic Sans MS">(the Third)  20:29, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I must point out that it is not okay to just take a person's character. You must first get permission from the creator to use said character. Using a character without permission is basically stealing the character.
 * I know its like stealing I put this on here hoping that Jet would answer me and I could aske him for it. I just sent him a message so I'm waiting for a reply. But I still want the char lol. --- <font color="#FFFFFF" face="Comic Sans MS">Twon Junior <font color="#FFFFFF" face="Comic Sans MS">(the Third)  21:08, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I know its like stealing I put this on here hoping that Jet would answer me and I could aske him for it. I just sent him a message so I'm waiting for a reply. But I still want the char lol. --- <font color="#FFFFFF" face="Comic Sans MS">Twon Junior <font color="#FFFFFF" face="Comic Sans MS">(the Third)  21:08, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

G-Revolutionary = Grizzaka
If you read the topic then you will understand the post. Well after watching the "troller" in action. I've come to the conclusion that the culprit was none other than Griz himself. It may be nothing but mere speculation but using deductive reasoning and basic psychology this is what I have come up with.

Reasons:

1) I fairly certain it is Grizzaka because one of the things he saidon APS' page is that he is that griz is a crybaby and that the admins hate him. This is something that griz himself has claimed many times in different ways even though there is no evidence to support it.

2) Also on APS' page he calls me "Raz". NO ONE else on here calls me that. Everyone calls me Raze (or in Kou's case Lightweight).

3) As in psychology, we learn that those who cannot exprss themselves properly, be it fear of what others might think or just repressed anger, they usually create a new persona to deal with this. Or even go as far as creating faux relatives, friends, etc.

4) The 2nd most obvious reason would be that this person attacked only Ray Martinez's page. Hmm....by deleting everything off of Ray, that would make people happier? I'm sorry. I'm not buying that as that is yet another thing Grizz himself has stated he would do as he was unhappy with Ray's changes.

5) The most obvious (and completely laughable) reason would be well...the name itself. Come on...G-Revolutionary.....Grizzaka. Come on...what are the odds that the first letter of two completely different users be this similar, taking into consideration the rest of these facts?

With this said...I just want everyone to think about what may be done. There could be a vote or something. Or I could be completely wrong, because as I said...this is all just speculation. But hey if someone can find me solid proof to prove my points wrong then I'll be happy to believe it. <font color="#0255255" face="Tahoma">Raze <font color="#0191255" face="Tahoma">Kucabara-Dono  <font color="#2550255" face="Tahoma">Light  02:16, May 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have to agree with Luxe here (yes, I call you "Luxe", not "Lightweight" anymore). Personal feelings aside, I notice very early on most of the things Luxe pointed out. However, I don't usually make assumptions (anyone ever hear the saying "when you assume something, you end up making yourself look like an ass?"), so I just acted as if it was a normal troll that despised Grizzaka. WIth this said, I believe that we should take a vote with who was involved (Njalm, Poet, Luxe and myself) about whether they believe this troll to be an average troll, or Grizzaka in disguise. After the vote is done, I think that Grizzaka should be booted out of Gravity Force, if he is suspected of being said troll. However, this is just my opinion. WHat does everyone else think?

At this point booting out would be in favor imo. But not at this moment as I feel a probation should be put into effect instead. But if majority rules in favor of completely booting him then there is nothing I can do. But my vote is for probation. <font color="#0255255" face="Tahoma">Raze <font color="#0191255" face="Tahoma">Kucabara-Dono  <font color="#2550255" face="Tahoma">Light  02:48, May 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's fine with me; that's why I asked for other's opinions as well (with part of that being as I'm incredibly bias when it comes to Grizzaka).

Sadly, I have come to the conclusion as well as I suspected it after several posts. However, I believe that we would need a major group consensus and take this one step at a time. In my opinion, this seems its going a bit too fast and may be making rash decisions. Even if the evidence is clear. Thats my two cents.
 * EDIT: Another note, I was the first one to notice this (not brag and had engaged with the "troll". However, a trial must be held. It was indeed suspicious that after Griz started posting, an IP address and then G-Rev appeared to cause havoc. We may be wrong unfortunately and I merely do not want to point fingers at a possible innocent member.


 * That is a good point as well, Poet.


 * Hello Gravity Force. I'm here to inform you that, after an encounter with Grizz and his fake account on the chat, we have come to the same conclusion Raze has. We have numerous factors to consider here, including lying to you all as his fellow users and us as the administration team, multiple accounts, and vandalism, even if it was of his own stuff. We all (the admins) debated the facts and the story both Grizz and his supposed "cousin" gave us, and came to a unanimous consensus to ban Grizzka. At first, it was just going to be a month long ban, for harassment, however, after discovering that it really was a fake account and that Grizzka had done all of this, primarily to get attention, we have decided to ban him permanently. I appreciate you guys talking this over with one another, and that's why I wanted to personally inform you of the situation. If you have any questions pertaining to this, you are more than welcome to message me or to get on the chat and ask me directly. Many thanks --- Ten Tailed Fox 03:36, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for verifying the details Ten. It was greatly appreciated. It saddens me that a user would go to great lengths to gather attention around themselves, especially with profanity, vandalism, and sockpuppet (which is the worst offense in my eyes). To the older members of Gf, you have my sincere apologies (if you have any).


 * No need to be sorry, Poet(: It's not like any of this was your fault. I'm just sorry that you had to deal with his vandalism/profanity/sockpuppeting...
 * I find this to be really sad, though I too see the evidences when presented but one thing here whom no one else have mentioned is the fact that this Troller was quite literate, he could spell quite decently and he formed coherrent sentences. Grizzaka is not capable of that after what I have seen before, while its possible to correct grammary errors, Grizz and G-revolution are thus in my opinion two different persons. Though evidence is clear in that Grizz was involved here somehow, but that he likely used a friend or relative of himself to write and do vandalism. Buttom line is, Grizzaka couldn't have written that himself. Njalm2 10:07, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I've been outta the loop for a bit with crap going on in my life. But I do side with Njalm on this one. On the extreme side of it, this could be a very elaborate ploy by an unknown troller. If they really wanted to cause some damage, best way to do it would have been to target someone who is emotionally distraught, or currently in a precarious situation like Grizzaka (who seemed to be going through some problems, be it here or in real life). The troller could have followed their talks, learned the way they write, and then emulate it. Choosing an appropiate user-name to link to the target account, and begin trolling friends or people Grizzaka recently RP'ed with would be another start. Given Raze's testimony above, it IS the most logical conclusion one would garner from the "evidence" leading the administration to ban an otherwise innocent user caught in the mix. But, to be honest, I havent been an admin on any site, so I'm sure that APS and our administration have far greater experience in dealing with trollers, so if this could be something they would do, I would highly encourage them to reconsider their decision. Of course this is just me being overly paranoid, but I do think its something we should consider. --- Illuminate Void (Talk) 19:52, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Guys!
Hey! I just wanted to pull myself out of Gravity Force and BFF as a whole. My work will be seperated between Raze, Kenji, Yuki and Crimson, if they want to take over. If not, just delete my characters. BYE! 暗い夜 DarkNight (Talk To Me!) 15:37, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Clearing Things Up
I'm going to set the record straight, right now, in the hopes that this will be finished and we can all move on with our lives. These are the bare facts:
 * Grizz is banned forever for spamming, vandalizing, lying, and multiple account usage, while claiming the other account was someone else (they had the same IP, which admins are capable of seeing; note that this was proven on both the chatroom, and on the wikia).
 * Grizz even went so far as to tamper with his IP when he got on the chat to make us think it was someone else, something that every chatango user account from BFF can testify for. This can also be proven by the fact that Grizz couldn't edit due to G-Revolutionary's account being banned, something he asked us to fix, but we didn't, for obvious reasons, and the fact that he could post again on here proves that he used a proxy to get around his IP being banned.
 * Also, if any of you have been to his Ray Martinez's character talk page, he... he thinks his character is his best friend, and something real. <_< I'm sorry, but personally, I think Grizz needs some time away to sort things out mentally. That is not normal (when I use the term "normal", I don't mean comformist or something like that, but seriously? there is a line between unique and crazy), and definately doesn't send a professional or even positive message to potential users that might wanna join, but get scared away after seeing shit like that.
 * More directed toward the entire GF, this is like the third count for overdramatic situations. From my count, Twilight's departure caused issues, there was a pretty big discussion over Jet's departure (albeit, this wasn't as bad in comparison to the first and following examples), and now Grizz and his shit, and there might be more that aren't coming to mind at this moment.

I'm sorry once more, but this isn't the message I want, or any of the admins by extension, to be broadcasted here. Me and Ten, among other admins, are already considering the disbandment of the Gravity Force due to this. We offer you this ultimatum: should one more incident like the one with Grizz or Twilight occur, then Gravity Force will be disbanded. This doesn't mean you guys won't be allowed to work together, that'd be ludicrous, but the term Gravity Force will not be acknowledged as a group, and should that occur, the Gravity Force page will be deleted as a symbol of this disbandment. Also, considering I have the entire administration on my side with this, this will be an indisputable ultimatum. That will be all. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 20:28, May 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well in all honesty, (no disrespct meant by this of course) but isn't giving an ultimatum like this adding to the problems? I always risk getting banned for saying what I think to the Admins but hey...its who I am. lol. I mean the whole thing gts blown out of proportion. We set this group of for ease of access to other members who we RP with frequently. I only count two strikes against us cause Twilight went as far as making a new page and go to other User's pages and telling them that he would be leaving (incident 1) and Griz or the mysterious troller (depending on which way you want to see it) harassing others and vandalizing (incident 2). The thing with Jet wasn't shown anywher else and didn't even cause any commotion on here as he left (albeit temporarely) on good terms so that would only be known by the admins coming her and looking for a reason. Though I could mistaken on that. Haha. Back to my point, why delete the page? Wouldn't it be just as easy for the members to continue to make new "groups" per se? Deleting all of them, while fully in your power as admins, would be kind of unfair if the wiki policy is true and we are entitled to make pages as we want as long as they don't break any rules. But hey...I'm just a plebian...my voice is so small it probably won't mean anything to the decision of the admins. Oh well.. :3 <font color="#0255255" face="Tahoma">Raze <font color="#0191255" face="Tahoma">Kucabara-Dono  <font color="#2550255" face="Tahoma">Light  21:58, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Nessecary Precautions?
Alright, In light of the recent development with our somewhat overzealous Admins, I really hate to say this mind you, I think it'd be in our best interests to regrattably heighten our standards, and thus I suggest the following changes.


 * We heighten the number of votes required to Five. This may sound really drastic but it again, is what I deem to be nessecary, I encourage you all to disagree however!


 * We become a lot stricter in voting process - taking a good look at some of the users works and such before deciding, along with perhaps a short peek at their responses to other users: I especially hate this one.


 * We introduce a "trial" period of several days to a single week when the voting process is over, and if the user still seems promising we let him join.


 * And this last one is just plain horrible; we add a "kicking policy" in order to prevent members from incurring the Admins attention negatively, and thus allowing us to resolve matters cleanly. Though I suspect that this policy will only be used a couple of times in the far future.

That was all my suggestions and I honestly regret putting them up as each of them kinda stains our "Friendly-neighbourhood collective" terms, Please take time to concider these additions, as much as you may dislike them. Better yet, find other precautions whom you'd deem to be both efficient and humane!

Njalm2 23:18, May 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * I feel it should be pointed out that the administration of this site has not been "overzealous", nor are the members of this group under constant watch, as we seem to have to have been portrayed in the last few posts. Rules are rules, and Wikia's rules trumps ours. This was not "blown out of proportions", Grizzka was guilty and he was dealt with. The way that Njalm just put it, "overzealous Admins", and "incurring the admin's attention negatively" makes the administration out, to other more new members of the group, to be some outside force that is interfering in the little bubble you've all created. This group is to help new users and users that RP often together, nothing more. It isn't a club. The community works as a whole, rather than Gravity Force and the rest of the community as separate entities. I also feel the need to point out that if a member of your group draws the "admin's attention negatively", than that is their own fault, not ours. I respectfully ask that the disdain talk towards the admins on this talk page cease from this point on. Any complaints or concerns you have can be left on our talk page, that is all. Thank you all for taking the time to read this. --- Ten Tailed Fox 01:48, May 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Please refrain from using terms that may seem offensive to the administration. I apologize Ten if I had gotten out of hand. As you members may have realized, we might have incurred their attention negatively due to the actions partaken in the past few days or weeks. Gravity Force cannot be an entity on its own, just a group of likeminded users who want to work together. We must stay united or a civil war shall occur (yes, that has happened). Your precautions are justified Njalm, however for the "kicking policy", it should be a suspension. After I had said my two cents, I will leave at that. Cheers!

You guys still don't get it, and it's making me rather angry. However, due to keeping my professional self in check, I won't let this anger influence my following statements. I keep hearing "this is how we allow people to join" or "this is how we decide if they need to leave". You make GF sound like an organization, which is what me and Ten have been trying to get through to you all since the start. In my eyes, you guys are users who work together. This voting and "kicking policy" nonsense is a total farce. You either work with the people who use the collective term "Gravity Force" that denotes their union, or you don't. That's it. Do you guys get what I mean? Or should I explain myself alittle more? --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 03:34, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Enough, this getting out of hand. Regardless if this a group or a collective of people that work together we shouldn't argue with the administration. Here is a simply solution if for any reason(s) member(s) whether in the Gravity Force or not becomes a problem than don't work with them. Now lets drop this it doesn't matter whom is right, wrong, neutral etc. All that matter is to drop this and move on into our future ideas.: The Twilight of Your Despair 03:53, May 22, 2011 (UTC)