Thread:Illuminate Void/@comment-25782967-20130910032215/@comment-3001427-20130912054057

Trying to kill an Optimates like Amon or Beherith is like trying to wipe out the very existence of their emotion. Killing Amon would be like trying to kill the emotion/aspect of "Rage" from the known universe. Beherith would be like trying to remove the aspect of "Death".

In number two I was trying to illustrate just how futile it is to fight one. You don't. Nuff said. They're less like "characters" and more like a named force. They aren't meant for combat, because they would dominate any one who opposed them. They are for all intents and purposes Gods with unlimited power at their disposable. The amount of power Seireitou Bankai Stage 2 has is like a single rain drop compared to an ocean. Fight them on their home turf in hell. You lose. Period. Fight them outside of Hell, you have a slim chance at fleeing from the encounter, assuming you aren't dead yet.

And I'd say Arcus Daemons are roughly equivalent to Seireitou in power if you're using the character as a form of measurement. And most are probably as old as humanity itself. So keep that in mind as well.