Thread:Mangetsu20/@comment-5651818-20130111221056/@comment-4509522-20130112041746

Then here are some facts:

It has been proven that Goku in SSJ form is already faster than the speed of light. Piccalo's special beam cannon was actually capable of moving at that same speed, and when he used it on Goku and Raditz both, Goku's power level was around 1500. Raditz actuall was at 1500 and managed to actually sidestep the blast. When Goku goes SSJ for the FIRST time mind you, his power increased to 15,000,000 MAX. Now, SSJ2 increases his power by 10. SSJ3 increases THAT power by 10, and SSJ4 increases THAT power by 10 (this isn't including all of the training that he goes through) So, if 1500 was just a little above the speed of light, imagion how fast a SSJ4 could be?

Superman could fly around the earth fast enough to turn back time (even though doing this would actually kill everyone on the planet >.>), which means he'd have to go at at least 4 times the speed of sound. And in several different comics, his speed has never been set in stone. Sometimes they say that he moves faster than light, than a bullet, no more than the speed of sound, it's a mess x.x

Goku is faster. He can move at the speed of light by millions.

Now in terms of power. Master Roshi was able to destroy the moon, and his power level at the time was just 126, or somewhere around that level. And given what I just mentioned above about Goku...yeah he can destroy entire galaxies. Not gonna touch there.

Here's an example from a blog I read about Superman's power: ''"Superman's strength. In the original 1938 comic, he just seemed stronger than an average human. However, that's his weakest state in all superman comics. Once, in a comic, he was knocked through a planet and just shook it off. This is because of his insane endurance and strength In '49, he moved a planet. Then in '72 and '86, two different comics cut down his strength considerably. But, in real science, it's impossible to pick up or move a very, very large object and have it intact when you stop, because of the size of human hands. When Superman moved a planet, he should have actually drilled a hole in it. John Bryne stated that him being able to lift things too large for the human hands to keep intact without crumbling is a form of telekinesis, while other authors kinda strayed from the subject. Actually, he is in fact NOT able to be so strong that he is able to move a planet. His power to move planets is solely in his flight strength and speed. Now, how much could he hold if he were lifting a weight against the 1 G gravity that we have on Earth? Easy. 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 metric tons.''

''Now, in the '49 comic, he moves a planet, but barely and very hard. In '72, he moves it with the help of Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter. Unfortunately, we do not know how much of the strength he is applying to this push. Maybe only 1% of the strength, maybe 99%. So we can conclude that Superman can in fact barely, but still can, move a planet, according to the 2 Superman comics(and only these two), “Superman #58” and “JLA vol. 3 #75”, out of the 8 Superman comics.''"

Goku is more than capable of destroying planets with little effort. Superman can drill through one, but yet struggled to move one.

Now, yes, Goku does run out of energy at some points, and that is a major weakness against superman, who's only weakness is really kryptonite. However, he has been killed before by other means. In reality, in order to barely win/lose against Superman, Goku would have to be at the same level he was when he first when SSJ against Frieza. In order to completely dominate Superman, Goku only needs to go full power SSJ.

There isn't any contest, Goku wins.