Thread:Njalm2/@comment-136273-20151101100839/@comment-18812574-20151114053916

That may be so but I feel like there are many factors that are being ignored here. I kind of see Z's point of view, that is. Hachigen was the one who ultimately defeated Barragán, or the one who delivered the final blow, or whatever you want to call it, and without his ingenuity they would have been screwed. At the same time I ALMOST feel like, if you had put say, Uryuu's brains together with a basic-advanced (hah) level user such as Kira together they might have been able to do the same thing in the end. Then again, that barrier was pretty incredible, all said and done, so maybe not. Sui-Feng was important to the battle though, as she at least distracted him and tried attacking him from different angles so Hachigen could see what worked and what didn't work. Without her around it would have been much more difficult to catch/ensnare/defeat Barragan. Plus that was sort of the theme of the entire captains vs. Espada fight: once the Visoreds joined in it was kind of "hey lets stick together so we actually have a chance against these guys," which ended up failing miserably *Hitsugaya, cough cough* but you know, brownie points for trying.

Hachigen is no one to sneeze at though. Neither is Tetsuzaemon. I bet you Tetsu is a very skilled healer, and from Kisuke's own prowess in Kidou you can bet they train with each other while not keeping shop. Hachigen was Tetsu's right hand man, am I right? Both of those characters were in the corps and prominent members. Then there's the fact that Hachigen's spells might have seen a boost in power due to being a Visored. His barriers seem to be a little non-standard, at any rate. So yeah, it's undeniable that they're skilled. But they're still not invincible. Hachigen lost his arm to Barragan, for instance, and all of their asses got owned by Aizen way back when.